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# 41 Thx for nothing
04-02-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by r9xchaos
I startet playing this game with my first character at F2P launch.. its a tactical gal in a fleet escort and i do 9k dps witch my polaron beems using 3 beam infront and 2 beam in the back .. a harg peng torp and a plasma torp...using assimilated consoles and 4 polaron enhancers...all my weaponry is mkx - mkxi ...

you dont need a tool to increase your dps.. you just need common sense..

surely this tool will be great for al the lamers and / or statwh*r*s but that doesent makes people smarter...

the tactical DPS build is teh easiest in this game since u only need to select things that make u more dmg and some defense...

I see only a problemwith all the... guys in elite STFs henu run them in a random team.. peopel dont read the team chat and making a rambo style run and wonder why they die when they dont use regenerators..

and when u tell hem to listen what u have to say they DONT EVEN READ THE CHAT.... i would love to see a tool that gives people a brain...

oh and dont tell me to join a STF fleet or go on voice chat... im doing this STFs only because i neeed the armor for my roleplay... i would buy it from teh cstore but it is not possible... i spend so much tem in getting teh honorguard set that i cant roleplay anymore.. i find it kinda sucks...

now when people see that thread / tool they will start doing a new class .. tactical for sure and everyone wil run an escort..

i noticed it before that there were alot of tacs playing this game .. but a DPS tool / Thread wil only increase that...

also crytpic should make a tutorial mission where the STF is explained.. and only if people get this done they can participate in regular stfs.. really..

soem peopel act liek they have no brain.. walking into radioactive water... OR runnign into teh borg boss when already 3 people left.. attacking him ...and then wonder why i sit down and enjoy the show..

thanks for the post of this thread but anyways
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1. You tell us you don't use a DPS meter then you say you do 9k DPS, which is obviously a lie, or you ran the DPS meter while attacking a squirrel instead calculating your average DPS over multiple Elite STF runs.

2. You do need a DPS tool, because your common sense is wrong. As we can already see.

3. I thought I made it abundantly clear that STO has done a good job giving everyone the ability to have around the same possible maximum damage. It's a matter of reading the DPS meter correctly. For example I run with a fleet member who has a carrier and although it says he does 2k DPS, if you calculate the damage his BoP's and shield drainers do hes at 6-7k dps. The same applies to Engies and Sci's. ANY CLASS CAN DO 6-9K DPS in elite STF's if played properly, specced properly, build properly, BO'ed properly, and decent team makeups.

4. I almost always get the optional in Elite STF's PUG's and you obviously don't. Stop blaming others and blame yourself.

5. Here's the Salvation challenge. Let's run a Elite STF together and I bet you 10 mil energy credits you probably do less than 4k DPS and/or YOUR the one screwing up the mechanics.
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# 42
04-02-2012, 09:40 AM
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# 43
04-02-2012, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpphasors
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1. You tell us you don't use a DPS meter then you say you do 9k DPS, which is obviously a lie,

5. Here's the Salvation challenge. Let's run a Elite STF together and I bet you 10 mil energy credits you probably do less than 4k DPS and/or YOUR the one screwing up the mechanics.

1. ORLY?:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/306...2040215060.jpg

5. Aha yeah i heard that often and when they PvP me they loose.. haha challenge me ingame il beat you ...

also i KNOW that there are more noobs in STFS ( random teams ) than pros.. i dont knowwho you think you are but watch your tounge when u speak with me.. i didnt attack your verbally .. but you did... i just said i dont needa dps meter and that there are many noobs out there...

my screenshots prooves my damage ... also ive fougth someone who uses the dps meter and is good at STFs but in PvP he / she got vansihed of my beams...

and again i dont know why you are that hostile against me.. i didnt attack you...

PS. there are some PRO-STFers and noone mentioned you ever...

That PROs have admited that STF sucks without a good team... .. YOU blame ME and call me a weak thing ?? i said my stfs fail because of NOOBS in my team .. noobs that actually dotn use chat to hear the plan .. most people dont even know what todo in STFs and YOU BLAME ME?

For me this discussion is ended at the point where you insulted me... YOU never have seen me playing .. so shut your lie-slit .. ..

Youre just mad because i atleast dont crawl in your *** saying: "ohh thats awesome ohh coool.. bla bla whatever"...

I do enough DPS to beat my enemies....

what you do is tryign to get people to be statwh*r*s...

Cryptic didnt designed this game to make it a next counterstrike...

The game has a backstory , and a big piece of roleplayers stuff... ist still a mmorpg my friend... maybe you should use google ...this game wasnt made to make people comapare their size of **** ... there is no contest .. but guys like you come to such games and destroy it...

go play counterstrike.. really.. if u want BOOMHEADSHOTS i wondre why u play a complex game with a nice story like this...

waste of account...
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# 44
04-02-2012, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by r9xchaos
1. ORLY?:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/306...2040215060.jpg

5. Aha yeah i heard that often and when they PvP me they loose.. haha challenge me ingame il beat you ...

also i KNOW that there are more noobs in STFS ( random teams ) than pros.. i dont knowwho you think you are but watch your tounge when u speak with me.. i didnt attack your verbally .. but you did... i just said i dont needa dps meter and that there are many noobs out there...

my screenshots prooves my damage ... also ive fougth someone who uses the dps meter and is good at STFs but in PvP he / she got vansihed of my beams...

and again i dont know why you are that hostile against me.. i didnt attack you...

PS. there are some PRO-STFers and noone mentioned you ever...

That PROs have admited that STF sucks without a good team... .. YOU blame ME and call me a weak thing ?? i said my stfs fail because of NOOBS in my team .. noobs that actually dotn use chat to hear the plan .. most people dont even know what todo in STFs and YOU BLAME ME?

For me this discussion is ended at the point where you insulted me... YOU never have seen me playing .. so shut your lie-slit .. ..

Youre just mad because i atleast dont crawl in your *** saying: "ohh thats awesome ohh coool.. bla bla whatever"...

I do enough DPS to beat my enemies....

what you do is tryign to get people to be statwh*r*s...

Cryptic didnt designed this game to make it a next counterstrike...

The game has a backstory , and a big piece of roleplayers stuff... ist still a mmorpg my friend... maybe you should use google ...this game wasnt made to make people comapare their size of **** ... there is no contest .. but guys like you come to such games and destroy it...

go play counterstrike.. really.. if u want BOOMHEADSHOTS i wondre why u play a complex game with a nice story like this...

waste of account...
That screenshot does not prove your damage, it proves you are wrong. Thatís 9k dps for 1 shot for 1 weapon. Not 9dps over time. If you factor in all yours shots or look at your damage over say 60seconds then your DPS drops well below 9k.

I think you are confusing burst damage and DPS. Your burst damage is at 9k dps but burst damage is not sustainable damage which is what most people mean by DPS.
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# 45
04-02-2012, 11:43 AM
No, that doesn't prove her wrong - it states quite clearly 9,970 DPS. Does it matter that the average DPS over 60 seconds may be lower than 9K? Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on how you count and bear in mind that PvP is a different animal than STF's. In STF's you know exactly what to do, what the enemies will be and where they're coming from. There is no such luxury in PvP.

What I am certain of is that burst is enough to send someone to 12 second Purgatory if they're caught with their pants down.
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# 46 To show you
04-02-2012, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Ithaqua
No, that doesn't prove her wrong - it states quite clearly 9,970 DPS. Does it matter that the average DPS over 60 seconds may be lower than 9K? Maybe, maybe not. It all depends on how you count and bear in mind that PvP is a different animal than STF's. In STF's you know exactly what to do, what the enemies will be and where they're coming from. There is no such luxury in PvP.

What I am certain of is that burst is enough to send someone to 12 second Purgatory if they're caught with their pants down.
This is what you show to prove your DPS.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6...teinfected.png <--- this is the only way to count damage done and DPS. Not a silly screen shot of your weapon with beam overload.

^ This is on an infected elite (of course we got optional) but you can see total damage over total amount of time. You keep proving you have no idea what your talking about. As well that you REALLY need to listen to me and the other people that actually understand this forum post.

******* Ps ill pvp you anytime and anywhere and ill win.
*********** reverse shield polarity and you lose.
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# 47
04-02-2012, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpphasors
As well that you REALLY need to listen to me and the other people that actually understand this forum post.
What you really need to do is quit assuming that other people don't understand statistics.
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# 48
04-02-2012, 01:31 PM
4.4k on my Gal-X, not bad at all.

But I can tell you right now, that it is not just the DPS that sucks from most people, its the healing as well, I have just ran 4 ESTF's and each one had at atleast 4 cruisers. I'm kicking out about 1million healing or about 1200 a seconds, the 2nd place healer is 300k at about 380 a second,

P.S I;m only running standard cruiser heals, ET2/ST2/HE1/A2SiF3, so nothing totally wild.
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# 49
04-02-2012, 01:35 PM
This has turned out to be a really good read for the most part.

I now feel the need to drop my dual Beam bank and add a 3rd Mk xii Borg antiproton DHC to the Fore of my Defiant.

Iím also wondering if it might be beneficial to drop my Quantum Torp and go with a Photon Torp instead.

The reasoning behind the torpedo change would be Iíll be getting a heck of a lot more Photon shots off than with my Quantum.

Slot the Best quality Projectile Doffs I can get and further boost the firing time of the Photon Torp.

Iím thinking that more shots might equal more damage in the long run.
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# 50
04-02-2012, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by r9xchaos
Actually, the DPS listed in a tooltip doesn't really translate into real time DPS that you are putting out. The tooltip lists the raw damage/DPS without any mitigating factors. It may not be a huge issue in PVE, but in PVP, players will have resists and defense bonuses which will reduce the ACTUAL amount of damage you are doing. Also, the tooltip doesn't take into account hits and misses. Obviously, the more misses you have, the smaller your actual DPS will be no matter what the tool tip says. And the tool tip can't take into account your playstyle. Your dual heavy cannons may list a high DPS in the tool tip, but it does no good if you can't keep your target within your firing arc. Theses are just a few examples. There are so many factors that go into how much DPS you actually do, the only real way to tell is to look after the fact and see.
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