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# 11
04-26-2012, 04:56 PM
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So why do we have a Spock data recorder with Spock talking after Romulus was destroyed?
Because Nimoy's the most recognizable figure in Star Trek, giving the game a sense of authenticity. He technically is still in the Abramsverse.

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Right...it was "a" star that went nova. But in star trek going back to the past and altering something would usually still have a direct impact on the future. So imo Vulcan in sto should not exist.
Time travel's never really been consistent in Star Trek. For example, there are supposedly "Temporal Agents" from the 29th and 31st centuries who try to ensure the integrity of the timeline, yet whenever history get changed those guys never show up.
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# 12
04-27-2012, 01:12 AM
You know with the Klingon's withdrawing from the Khitomer Accords, Research on Carol Marcus's Genesis tech could resume. If CBS approves and the Devs wanted to restore Romulus and Remus, that would be a way to do so.
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# 13
04-27-2012, 01:50 AM
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Actually the sto storyline is different to the movie. In the movie Romulus was destroyed by its own star (really cheap way to finish off Romulus). Besides, the sto timeline (according to usual star trek linear time line theory) should not even exist.
The movie says nothing about it being the Romulan star destroying the Romulan homeworld...

Spock (real, non-idiot universe Spock) tells Kirk that it is a Supernova that threatens the galaxy... However the romulan sun is not a supernova, and it is highly unlikely that it would turn into one without the Romulans noticing.

Also the idiot universe that the "movie" is in, is really clearly described as a parallel universe (described by idiot universe spock) in that very same movie, so of cause the real non-idiot Star Trek universe still exists.
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# 14
04-27-2012, 01:53 AM
the Recent film is a nul timeline (it never happened) from our perspective
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04-27-2012, 04:45 AM
The Hobus Star supernovaed which sent a shockwave through subspace. According to STO, which takes place in the canon, "prime" universe, this was caused by Taris working with the Iconians. Spock races to Romulus, hoping to dissipate this shockwave by catching it in an artificial quantum singularity, created with "Red Matter". He arrives to late. Nero, arrives back at Romulus, at about the same time, hoping to save his family. They are both sucked into the singularity created by the Red Matter, roughly at the same time. Something happens to them upon passing through the black hole. Nero arrives roughly 50 years ahead of Spock, in what can only be described as another mirror universe. Nero, who is ****ed off at Spock for not saving Romulus, waits for Spock to come through the singularity, captures him, maroons him on one of Vulcans moons, or binary planet, and uses the Red Matter capacitor to create a quantum singularity at Vulcan's core, thus destroying Vulcan. By extrapolating that Vulcan still exists in STO, we can assume that the Vulcan that is destroyed is one that exists in a mirror timeline, and therefore, not the Vulcan that exists in the "prime" or STO timeline. Ambassador Spock is now effectiveley, marooned in this alternate timeline, with no way home, as the Red Matter capacitor was destroyed, along with Spock's 25th century vessel.


Timelines are funny things. the only thing that determines what the "right" timeline is, would be the perspective of a time traveller coming from the future.
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# 16
04-30-2012, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Liath
STO is still set in the prime time line and we are witnessing the aftermath of the hobus nova from the point of view of that universe etc - by going back in time spock/nero created and entered a parallel reality - which became the jjverse - remember someone (captain of the kelvin or pike?) told nero that Romulus still existed - in jjverse it does. in st/sto prime universe it doesnt. in jjverse vulcan doesnt exist because nero destroyed it. in sto prime universe vulcan survived.
time travel... not for everyone...

Hobus went supernova and the explosion tunneled into subspace because of a rare minieral that was mined in the system. This caused the shock wave to travel at FTL speeds and give Romulus months instead of decades to deal it it. Spock and Nero tried to stop it with Red Matter. They went into the past and spawned and alternate universe, Abhramsverse

This is an OPEN-time travel mechanism. So, the past that Spock and Nero went into in the Abramsverse has NO relation to the Prime universe. From the opening credits on, that movie was in a separate reality from the Prime universe. The ONLY history that the Prime universe and the Abhramsverse share is everything BEFORE the birth of James Kirk. Thus, Cochrene, the NX Enterprise, Temporal cold war, Third world war, and Khan being frozen in space is all the same. But everything AFTER that incursion point is different.

The destruction of Vulcan happened int he Abrams verse,

Romulus was destroyed in Prime.

STO takes place in Prime universe.

Thus, Romulus is destroyed and the Vulcans are still doing pon farrs on their ancestral homes... in game...


Seriously people, who did you have for temporal mechanics at the Academy???
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# 17
05-01-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashur1
The Hobus Star went supernova and destroyed Romulus. The nova was caused by Taris and her Reman lackeys on behalf of the Iconians.

Spock and Nero went back in time and created an alternate timeline. The prime timeline still exists.
in jjverse spock and nero went back in time through a black hole....in sto, they were both instantly crushed instead because its a black hole, nothing comes out.
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# 18
05-01-2012, 04:07 PM
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in jjverse spock and nero went back in time through a black hole....in sto, they were both instantly crushed instead because its a black hole, nothing comes out.
No, they're missing and presumed dead. How would Starfleet know what really happened to them?
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# 19
05-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kyeto13
time travel... not for everyone...

Hobus went supernova and the explosion tunneled into subspace because of a rare minieral that was mined in the system. This caused the shock wave to travel at FTL speeds and give Romulus months instead of decades to deal it it. Spock and Nero tried to stop it with Red Matter. They went into the past and spawned and alternate universe, Abhramsverse

This is an OPEN-time travel mechanism. So, the past that Spock and Nero went into in the Abramsverse has NO relation to the Prime universe. From the opening credits on, that movie was in a separate reality from the Prime universe. The ONLY history that the Prime universe and the Abhramsverse share is everything BEFORE the birth of James Kirk. Thus, Cochrene, the NX Enterprise, Temporal cold war, Third world war, and Khan being frozen in space is all the same. But everything AFTER that incursion point is different.

The destruction of Vulcan happened int he Abrams verse,

Romulus was destroyed in Prime.

STO takes place in Prime universe.

Thus, Romulus is destroyed and the Vulcans are still doing pon farrs on their ancestral homes... in game...


Seriously people, who did you have for temporal mechanics at the Academy???
In regular Star Trek theory there is only one parallel universe, namely the mirror universe. Although the Mirror Kira once tried to blame the existence of the mirror universe on a transport accident by Kirk in a DS9 episode, that theory is nullified by "Star Trek Enterprise". If time travel would create parallel universes, then there is no need for a temporal cold war or bother going back in time. J.J. has completely overthrown the entire concept. IMO, he really did not need to create a parallel universe or destroy poor Romulus just to go back to the roots.

In real science though, some state time travel would create parallel universes. But as the string theory, it cannot be validated.
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# 20
05-02-2012, 01:44 PM
I have been wondering why Romulus could not be pulled back into existence. Considering the power of the "Ghosts of Air and Darkness" wouldnt it be feasible to find some way create a giant temporal rift around Romulus in the past and "pull it into the present"

I know it would take serious loads of power, but if you consider something like the Guardian of Forever and a couple borg temporal nodes i dont think it would be impossible -at the very least you could pull loads of Romulans from the past into the present I would imagine.

This would cause alot of strife between old and new governments and the such, but thats just sauce for the duck.
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