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# 11
04-30-2012, 08:54 PM
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You want to go a step further and establish some agreement in the community? Great. Most people are too lazy to even think about writing a NEW Cure Space Elite guide to talk over in forum. Good luck. I look forward to seeing what you write.
Seeing as I'm the guy who wrote the current guides on Elite STFs, I'm a little curious as to what you think needs to be changed? My guide currently recommends destroying all the probes, then killing the three cubes simultaneously, which is what I recommend for reasonably coordinated, low-DPS groups. If you have the DPS however (this is the method I use lately myself), you can simply blow the cubes one at a time and kill the raptors / Negh'vars as they spawn, usually having seven or eight minutes left on the optional.
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# 12
05-01-2012, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Naldoran
Seeing as I'm the guy who wrote the current guides on Elite STFs, I'm a little curious as to what you think needs to be changed? My guide currently recommends destroying all the probes, then killing the three cubes simultaneously, which is what I recommend for reasonably coordinated, low-DPS groups. If you have the DPS however (this is the method I use lately myself), you can simply blow the cubes one at a time and kill the raptors / Negh'vars as they spawn, usually having seven or eight minutes left on the optional.
Itís been happening in most PUG cure elite runs in space I have been on as of late and lead to many a loss, much anger, and ďbad chat screaming.Ē As a matter of fact, it is the basis for one of my worst STF experiences as I noted HERE.

That was an all cruiser group with a rainbow boat in it. I actually stood up for you after that run and said you were right in your guide. I still got the bruises from it. I see it happen with others most PUG runs now. Trying to follow your guide, in particular in attacking the cubes and leaving one fellow to hold it at like 20%, is the surest way to get screamed at for being a NOOB as of late and provide some one an excuse to go all over the top NERD RAGE on the group.

The truth is that most people are simply playing it as they learned to do in the normal guide and runs as presented HERE without realizing that a) there are differences in what works on elite difficulty and b) that your guide even exists. I feel that if more people understood when to use your plan and when the other things would be better.

I would love to see a more comprehensive guide from a respected member of the community in one thread for both difficulties that everyone could point too to help each other get on the "same page and plan" more easily in PUGS. That's what needs to change and the thread needs to be visible.

This is because itís actually proving too much trouble to expect a random group bitter from over a hundred runs with no purple proto-type tech salvage drop to talk to each other as fail is expected and they pretty much hate everyone else there but still want their shiny and assumes everyone should be using the same guide plan without knowing there are two or why.

As soon as people scatter following the two guide plans the rage starts...

Thanks for your guide anyway and have a good day. (Not being sarcastic there.)
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# 13
05-01-2012, 10:43 AM
Element_0, a few things;
1. Based on the number of views and stickied status of my guide, I would call the thread fairly visible, and is in fact cross-linked by the normal STF guide.
2. I've added a note to my guide that the strategy of leaving one person to hold the cube at 20% is not the preferred method; killing all probes while leaving cubes intact, then killing cubes simultaneously is.
3. I've added a more pug-friendly strategy (which I have tested extensively in 12th Fleet), involving one person on Kang duty, then having two groups of two take out middle & right simultaneously, with everyone then converging on the third.
4. You say that you'd like a more comprehensive guide; what would you like added? I'm more than willing to work to update that thread, and there's no need for someone else to reinvent the wheel as it were.
5. As to your request for a new guide from a "respected" member of the community... ouch.

I also think that people trying to follow the normal guide on elite runs must be having difficulty reading:
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Originally Posted by Latinumbar
First, so as not to waste anyone's time, the purpose of this guide is to help NEW STF players that are looking to run STF's for the FIRST time on NORMAL difficulty.
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# 14
05-01-2012, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Naldoran
Element_0, a few things;
4. You say that you'd like a more comprehensive guide; what would you like added? I'm more than willing to work to update that thread, and there's no need for someone else to reinvent the wheel as it were.
5. As to your request for a new guide from a "respected" member of the community... ouch.

I also think that people trying to follow the normal guide on elite runs must be having difficulty reading:
First, YOU are a respected member of the community that can do this sort of thing where I am not. That's what I meant, you or some one people trust too. Nothing bad was meant about you at all. Just implying I am still at the dumb newb level of rep and couldn't.

When I say more comprehensive, I mean include the small skill tips people pick up from doing the STF runs that are often overlooked and cause trouble. For eaxmple in KA space elite? Like getting just under 10K off the side so you can shoot the gate but it can't shoot back so you can kill it without ever taking any damage. And if you nudge forward along the side when working the gate along the side where the probe spawn will travel to the portal, you can help the guy shooting probes because they will be in your beam fire at will range too while whittling it down.

I am sure there are lots of tricks like that people know.

Seriously, thaanks for the work you do with it. If I sound harsh and frustrated it isn't directed at you, just the result of seeing too many screaming hissy fits over silly stuff in the runs. I don't mean too and I am not "picking on you."
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# 15
05-01-2012, 11:40 AM
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Seriously, thaanks for the work you do with it. If I sound harsh and frustrated it isn't directed at you, just the result of seeing too many screaming hissy fits over silly stuff in the runs. I don't mean too and I am not "picking on you."
Understood, and appreciated. I know how frustrating STFs can be with pug groups, it's why I either get a fleet team or don't do it as a rule.

As to adding in little tips & tricks; I'll see what sort of things I can come up with. Incidentally, I actually prefer not to use that little 10K trick due to DPS loss, especially with escorts. If I'm in my escort, I just ask one of my buddies in a cruiser to throw Extend Shields 3 on me and close with the gate to about 4 km so that my cannons actually do reasonable damage.
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The Cure space is such BS how the hell can a Bird of Prey do High Yield 3 Cure Elite needs too be toned down a little and that fIng timer is not helping any body Bird of Prey hit me with one shot then bam i blow up WTF this needs Fixed now.
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# 17
05-01-2012, 05:09 PM
Playable BOP's can do High Yield 3 if they use their Lieutenant Commander slot for the tactical skill. Who's to say the Borg didn't do so as well.
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# 18
05-01-2012, 05:11 PM
This is such bs it needs fixed no if ands butts about it i can defend my self in KA and Infected just fine But the Cure Elite really needs to be looked at badly Even with a Good team have of the team still dies.
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# 19
05-01-2012, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Xcom46 View Post
The Cure space is such BS how the hell can a Bird of Prey do High Yield 3 Cure Elite needs too be toned down a little and that fIng timer is not helping any body
Elite Cure Space with the optional can be done consistently with your eyes closed once you learn the ropes.

Rather than make an oppinionated comment based on inexperience why don't you consider doing the research to learn how to do the mission and then look for where other people who know how to do it hang out and join groups with them?

Until then enjoy playing on the Normal Mode.
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# 20
05-01-2012, 05:14 PM
I play with Elite STF members and most of them are good.I have been playing this game for over a year i think i know what i am doing.
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