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# 51
05-02-2012, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Screen isn't always canon (diabolical movie attrocity)
It is unless the producers say otherwise, like they did with TAS.

And if by "diabolical movie atrocity" you mean the Abrams movie, that takes place in a parallel universe. So it is still canon.
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# 52
05-02-2012, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kazapsky
Note the whole "skipping shields" part of melee. It does carve them up, if you can survive/avoid assimilation. Problem is, that's a very big IF. Borg drones don't feel pain or deviate from their objective until they're dead. You lop off one arm, they smash your ribcage in with the other one without even blinking. And you never fight just one drone. Close range combat with the Borg is suicidal no matter how you try to butter it up.

And that's not even starting on the whole "bringing a knife to a gunfight" thing - these Borg are armed with energy weapons of their own. Notice how many Klingons die in the first battle of DS9 before even one gets to swing his bat'leth? Being a melee specialist may look cool, but in a world where someone on the other side of the room can push a button and kill you instantly, it's foolhardy to trust your life to a blade.

while data is far stronger than most things in trek, Klingons aren't super strong. They might have an advantage due to them being a warrior society. That's like saying Spartans were all super strong. Theyre considerably more durable due to things like the brak'lul. If they were stronger than humans you wouldnt see worf get his but handed to him so much in TNG or Riker, Kirk, or Scotty letting them have it. You're also forgetting that not every done is the same, so not every drone will be fast enough or strong enough. Or capable of assimilation. That's stereotyping.

If you take off a Borg arm depending on the type of drone it IS possible to render it useless. At least on the lower drones. To make it more personal my character actually IS a super strong character so until the needed melee and revamped energy weapons I was tearing through Borg like they were nothing. Not so much after they overpowered them in elite STFs although I still can hold my own pretty good. Technically the Klingons would be least suitable for assimilation as they're mostly (not all) trained in hand to hand and melee weapons and don't really have a technology the Borg want or need.
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# 53
05-02-2012, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThePsycoticVulcan
It is unless the producers say otherwise, like they did with TAS.

And if by "diabolical movie atrocity" you mean the Abrams movie, that takes place in a parallel universe. So it is still canon.
Yeah, I just honestly don't get why people scream how ALL of Star Trek is now non-canon because of the JJ movie.
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# 54
05-02-2012, 09:22 PM
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Yeah, I just honestly don't get why people scream how ALL of Star Trek is now non-canon because of the JJ movie.
Well, generally new timelines overwrite the old ones. The Abramsverse doesn't work like that because the producers don't want fans complaining about how all of Trek is now non-canon...which obviously isn't working very well.
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# 55
05-03-2012, 12:51 AM
The Big Guy himself said the film WASN'T canon
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# 56
05-03-2012, 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ThePsycoticVulcan
Well, generally new timelines overwrite the old ones. The Abramsverse doesn't work like that because the producers don't want fans complaining about how all of Trek is now non-canon...which obviously isn't working very well.
You just have to go with parallel universes (TNG "Parallels") and bam, everything is canon and valid.
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# 57
05-03-2012, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
The Big Guy himself said the film WASN'T canon
Who's the "Big Guy"? Abrams says it's canon; so do the other producers and so does CBS.
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# 58
05-03-2012, 10:04 AM
"The Great Bird of the Galaxy" is the big guy
when the film was first green lit ( shortly before he died) he said "This film is a re-imagining it should not be considered Canon trek"
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# 59
05-03-2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax
"The Great Bird of the Galaxy" is the big guy
when the film was first green lit ( shortly before he died) he said "This film is a re-imagining it should not be considered Canon trek"
Dude, Gene Roddenberry died in 1991. The Abrams movie hadn't even been conceived yet.
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# 60
05-03-2012, 10:59 AM
The film was Green lit (approved) a reimagining
not the script , not the plot the concept

sometimes things really are that long in the pipeline

Remember the thing that actually matters if it were canon then NONE of us exists
the federation as you know it never existed
and there IS no universe as you know it

weirded out yet?
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