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# 101
05-11-2012, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Shook-Yang
You don't need to have Tetryon weapons to use Tetryon Glider. It just adds extra damage to shields.

However, you do need to have polaron weapons to use the Jem H'dar set.
Indeed. Tetryon Glider averages 9x faster shield drain than the base tetryon weapon proc, so base tetryon weapons are inefficient anti-shield weapons when compared to Tetryon Glider.

The Jem'Hadar set has a number of deficiencies:

1) the lowest capacity, slowest recharge purple set shield
2) combat impulse engines = can't chase very well due to low top speed
3) nominal 7.5% weapon bonus (tactical consoles have +26%), and only for polarons
4) Dominion Synergy buff-removal's low 1% proc trigger rate, and only in Galors and JHAS.

In short, unless you have a Galor or JHAS, you're better off using almost any other set depending on your build (other than the Breen set, which is arguably the weakest set presently in the game).
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# 102
05-11-2012, 10:44 AM
I like the Breen set the only two sets I ever use are Breen and Borg often in combo.
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# 103
05-11-2012, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Pottsey
I like the Breen set the only two sets I ever use are Breen and Borg often in combo.
How well do these perform in elite STF's?
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# 104
05-11-2012, 11:41 AM
Very good over 2k direct to hull per torp with shield's up and way more on a crit and way more with shields down.

EDIT: I should state thats with a torp build about 1.2k to hull per torp on a none torp build.
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# 105
05-11-2012, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pottsey
Very good over 2k direct to hull per torp with shield's up and way more on a crit and way more with shields down.

EDIT: I should state thats with a torp build about 1.2k to hull per torp on a none torp build.
These torpedo numbers actually sound quite low given that quantums hit for 3.3k vs open hulls, occasionally critting for well over 10k+. Are you using transphasics with the Breen set? Borg ships have a huge hull to shield ratio, so shield penetration in STF's is almost unnecessary.
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# 106
05-11-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Shar487
How well do these perform in elite STF's?
The Breen engines are fairly good, but the deflector is not as useful (high Inertial Dampers boost, but the other sets offer accuracy, shields, or structural boosts) and the shield is inferior to the MACO shields.
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# 107
05-12-2012, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Shar487
These torpedo numbers actually sound quite low given that quantums hit for 3.3k vs open hulls, occasionally critting for well over 10k+. Are you using transphasics with the Breen set? Borg ships have a huge hull to shield ratio, so shield penetration in STF's is almost unnecessary.
I was talking about closed hull with shields up. Over 2000 damage with shields up is not low numbers. Transphasics also hit for well over 4k on open hulls on a torp build.

In theory if you had a whole group with transphasics with a torp build you could kill cubes in the first volley with shields up. But I never found enough people with decent skills and items to test.
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# 108
05-15-2012, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MandoKnight View Post
The Breen engines are fairly good, but the deflector is not as useful (high Inertial Dampers boost, but the other sets offer accuracy, shields, or structural boosts) and the shield is inferior to the MACO shields.
Most combat impulse engines have very low top speeds, so while they are adequate for slow, lumbering cruisers, they are not very good when compared their hyper-impulse counterparts.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Pottsey
I was talking about closed hull with shields up. Over 2000 damage with shields up is not low numbers. Transphasics also hit for well over 4k on open hulls on a torp build.

In theory if you had a whole group with transphasics with a torp build you could kill cubes in the first volley with shields up. But I never found enough people with decent skills and items to test.
I could see the above happening for normal mode cubes, but Elite STF cubes have a good deal more hull. With Transphasic Torpedoes having the lowest base damage , and Borg ships running thin shields + massive hulls, it makes little sense to use transphasics in STF's from a DPS optimization perspective. Sure, they will work, but they are far less effective than simply downing the target borg's paper-thin shields, then punching higher kinetic damage torpedoes through.

If there is a compelling reason to run 20% shield penetration + low kinetic damage torps vs. easily breached breached borg shields + massive hull numbers, then I'll be happy to hear it.
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# 109
05-15-2012, 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shar487
Most combat impulse engines have very low top speeds, so while they are adequate for slow, lumbering cruisers, they are not very good when compared their hyper-impulse counterparts.




I could see the above happening for normal mode cubes, but Elite STF cubes have a good deal more hull. With Transphasic Torpedoes having the lowest base damage , and Borg ships running thin shields + massive hulls, it makes little sense to use transphasics in STF's from a DPS optimization perspective. Sure, they will work, but they are far less effective than simply downing the target borg's paper-thin shields, then punching higher kinetic damage torpedoes through.

If there is a compelling reason to run 20% shield penetration + low kinetic damage torps vs. easily breached breached borg shields + massive hull numbers, then I'll be happy to hear it.
role playing? breen set + torp build sounds to me like Intrepid retrofit with ablative on. The trasphasics would fit in with role playing while being much less effective overall.
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# 110
05-15-2012, 01:36 PM
Y'know, I swear by Aegis and MACO. Im currently using MACO, mostly for Elite STFs. I actually dont have Borg, even though Ive been here for two years. Its my next project after MACO ground, but I never saw the need for it, ignorance is bliss I guess.

Aegis works well, it provides ALOT of power toward your Aux and Weapons systems, if you want to whack people quick, Aegis is the way to go in PvE. Never worked too well in PvP for me, but Im a cruiser driver and PvP isnt exactly our strong suit anyway.

MACO does much the same power boost wise but to your shields and to your weapons. Its what you want your support ships in Elite STFs to be using, either MACO or Borg. MACO's set bonus, the kinetic death ray (I have no idea what its actually called) is pretty good if your opponent's weakened to about 10%, and your kinetic weapons are cooling down. Shields don't seem to stop it either. It deals direct hull damage, just get fairly close.

I'll do crazy stuff like go right up against the Tac cube in Infected so if you ever fly that one with me, watch the USS Henry Rollins do some insane stuff. I oughta name it the USS Charlie Beckwith or USS Dan Daly (one was a crazy soldier who wound up setting up what ya'll civilians call Delta Force, the other was a crazy Marine who got the Medal of Honor twice) because I do crazy stuff and tend to survive it, but I get right up on it and hit it with the kinetic death ray and it responds well to it.

Anyway, Omega is the DPS set of choice. Or so im told. Im not a DPS character so I dunno if thats true and I dont intend to gather 120 EDCs to find out after I get another 120 for my MACO Ground set, but thats what Im told and from what Ive observed, escorts and BoPs with Omega are killing machines.

Anyway, its all a matter of opinion, and these are mine, so agree or disagree, find what works best for you. Every Captain's different and has a different play style. I tend to favor frontal assaults with quantum torps after broadsiding the enemy with my energy weapons and blasting their shields off, which makes me wonder why I ever picked Polaron. I should be using Tetryon. Dont ask me why Im using Polaron either, I hate purple. Least favorite color.

Anyway, null sweat. G'luck in your struggles!
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