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Lt. Commander
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# 11
06-02-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by naz1911 View Post
What can we do to combat those in the PVP community who accuse people of exploiting, cheating, etc etc without any proof? When you confront them, they type "lol" and put you on ignore.

That isn't the biggest issue. It becomes worse when these accusers start to "coach" other new pvpers in their ways including their bitterness, resentment and just as bad as dilithium farmers, warping out before a match even starts because they believe their ship cannot be killed unless the opponent is cheating.

All this is doing is breaking up the PVP community.
While not much you can do don't think it matter much seeing how the pvp vets know the truth and thatís all that counts. I have people on my cheat list and have the proof, but I aint calling them out cause the bug is fixed. Plus IDK anyhow what may have happened in the past its not relevant in the game now and NAZ i don't think I have ever heard anything about you abusing any bugs in game. So why worrier all of us know what you do is accomplished by skill you have learned through experience.
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# 12
06-02-2012, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo
Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
I do that and even offer to coach people 1 on 1 on how I do it and they don't listen/learn. I mean, one guy I know swears up and down that using Tachyon Harmonic and Medical Tricorder back to back is the most broken exploit in the game. When I linked him my Borg kit he still accused me of cheating.

There's nothing you can do but repeatedly smash those people into oblivion with your "exploits" until they learn a thing or two.
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# 13
06-02-2012, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo
Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
You can't - I know "ymmv" but most of the time, you can't.

Not to forget that the people who complain are the same ones who have been flying stuff like facemelting escorts, zombie tanking cruisers and/or been users of TRUE ridiculous bugs/exploits or items that were simply gamebreaking.

I am referring to such like that jem hadar shields bug - I actually forgot what it was exactly, but like a few months ago, when it would heal for ridiculous amounts of HP and even produce lag if you shoot on them.
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# 14
06-02-2012, 07:39 AM
It is hard when you are willing to help new players, and all you get instead are accusations of hacking or cheating of some form.

Can't say I have ever really been accused of it.

At least if I have it hasn't been to my err.. face? :p
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# 15
06-02-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo
Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
Sometimes, you can't. I didn't experience it often, but I did. People calling me some lame cheater, and I try to send them a tell explaining my tactic or build, and just getting the message back: "The user is ignoring you" or something like that.

I'd say these are trolls, ultimately, and there is no chance engaging them on any sensible level.

Others, you can help. And you see it happening already, so I don't think there is much more that can be done. Or needs to be done, really.
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# 16
06-02-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilawpilath View Post
It is hard when you are willing to help new players, and all you get instead are accusations of hacking or cheating of some form.

Can't say I have ever really been accused of it.

At least if I have it hasn't been to my err.. face? :p
Frankly it comes down to what type of ship you play imo, escort that melt you in 3seconds and, cruisers that never die is more "cheaters" then a really wellplayed well I usually see you in a carrier and everyone know that the carrier can be really tanky.. Im just saying

To explain all the nuances of how a good pvp match work to a new player is impossible we in TSI have played for 2 years some of ous and we get cheat accusations left and right even from really established players who sometimes even beat us. Once or twice or a few times cheat accusations can feel abit cool you go like "I got called cheater, I must be doing something right" but then it comes to a few guys or fleets and you get called cheater it feels lame, either they don't know any better or trolling.

Don't mistake me I sometime call out someone a hacker when loosing a game in OPVP but that is more of a joke.

Anyway Im too tired of defending TSI or us as a group, you either play us or not.

I guess we could do some live commentary from like a game-play video where I explain decisions and that type of stuff but sometimes I just activate butts because its off cool-down and sometimes its because I need to have that power at that second. Even Starcraft2 who is a major spectator e-sport and almost everything/builds are explained and such people get accused of cheating when playing on the battle.net and there you can watch the replay afterwards and see exactly what he was doing and why you lost like a million times.. I guess its a sort of defense mechanism people employ when they feel they get owned in anything really but mostly games they don't see their own flaws in the game-play and just lash out with bad manner on their opponents.
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# 17
06-02-2012, 10:11 AM
This topic clearly demonstrates why I advocate low tier PvP and the ability for high tier players to drop down in their low level ships to help train the new guys.

If you spend 50 levels not knowing what you are doing, and not knowing you don't know, when you finally meet a player who is just so much better that you have the proverbial snowball's chance of survival, anger is your natural reaction.

If instead at level 10 someone comes in to say, "Hey, look at your skill tree. These are important, but be sure to save points for later skills too."
Then at level 20 someone says, "See how these two BOff abilities work together? Combos make a difference."
Then at level 30 another guy says, "Hey! Nobody taught you to distribute shields? Okay, keybinds and shield heal abilities will save your ...ship..."
And at level 40 a player says, "Teamwork and communication make even a marginal player more effective. Here's how you can do it."

By the time the player gets to level 50 he will know there's no magic wand. He will have the basics of the game down, will have played many games against his peers instead of against the top players in the game, and he will be ready to listen to the advice of his teammates and able to learn from the lessons demonstrated by his enemies in the matches. His first reaction won't be, "You haxxorz!" but, "How can I do that?"

Humans learn one piece at a time and add layers of new knowledge on top of that already acquired. The current game structure requires he learn a great many details and their various interactions all at once. Given the current formula, it's no wonder so many get angry, make baseless accusations to excuse their lack of ability to compete, and log out of PvP forever. It's almost designed to accomplish exactly that.
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# 18
06-02-2012, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo
Simple. Just explain how you do it. Works fine for me.
I tried doing that a few times... gave detailed descriptions of my build and my binds, and attached pictures even. Then, an hour later I got a hateful pm, accusing me of sharing everything except my hax... :p

For some people, all the advice in the world won't help. They may have issues with their fingers, coordination issues, or no experience whatsover, but they are refusing to acknowledge this and all the advice in the world can not help them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alendiak
These types have enough knowledge that they can beat new PvPers easily, but not enough to deal with PvP addicts
much truth in this statement... the ability to judge their own performance is weak in many players.
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# 19
06-02-2012, 11:17 AM
Its not my so called "Gaming honour" i'm worried about. Its more for new PVP'ers joining and being bread the wrong information from the get go.

Just had a thought. I wonder if those said people's bases will survive post Season 6 once it has direct links with PVP...... Oh the thought....lol
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# 20
06-02-2012, 11:27 AM
ive seen 4 carriers and one BoP attacking a fed fleet escort we gave up after 10min cus his health never dropped and sheilds never dropped and the whole time he sat there calling people noobs etc. until expolits that people are using are fixed pvp will suck.

im sure this will get a few people saying hes just good player, bull no one can take all that and not lose a sheild or hp.

i asked him how to use exploits but he never replyed
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