I agree and was merely passing the excuse on for those who still wondered...................
Only problem is this, it also effects Fed' cloakers as well. Most of us have just replaed our console with something else ( like I have on my Gal-X). The Klink cloak is inherent in the ship.
Actually it was made perfectly clear. Try watching the movie again, this time in full observation mode.
This is true, but upon thinking about it, I can't for the life of me figure out how the Enterprise wasn't able to just track the transmissions back to the source. And this is because later TNG episodes (and TOS Balance of Terror) revealed that comm traffic could allow someone to track the position of a cloaked ship.
So logical that the cloak would drop when sensors, communication or transporters are used but not drop when the energy output to warp or travel at full impulse is expended? What show or movie were you watching? If it was possible for the cloak not to drop two centuries ago (canon) it would be logical that not only would still still be possible but that process would have been improved upon. Would any aspiring Mr. Spocks care to tackle that logic?
Well there IS a difference in sensors- some are active (think SONAR pinging), some are passive. IIRC the old BOPs speed was limited NOT because the high speed was detectable outside the cloak but because the ship simply didn't have enough power to run the engines at that speed and power the cloak simultaneously. Communications were also 'active' beams that could be detected. Transporters are beams of energy. The BOP in 'Undiscovered Country' DID have the power to maintain cloak while powering weapons, but if you look at her firing, she fires ONLY torpedos and becomes visible for a second as the torp is leaving the tube. Notice NO beams or cannons were fired. I don't recall ever hearing an excuse why a cloak wasn't used at warp, but I can guess it was not necessary as the ships were travelling faster than any weapon would.
Well there IS a difference in sensors- some are active (think SONAR pinging), some are passive. IIRC the old BOPs speed was limited NOT because the high speed was detectable outside the cloak but because the ship simply didn't have enough power to run the engines at that speed and power the cloak simultaneously. Communications were also 'active' beams that could be detected. Transporters are beams of energy. The BOP in 'Undiscovered Country' DID have the power to maintain cloak while powering weapons, but if you look at her firing, she fires ONLY torpedos and becomes visible for a second as the torp is leaving the tube. Notice NO beams or cannons were fired. I don't recall ever hearing an excuse why a cloak wasn't used at warp, but I can guess it was not necessary as the ships were travelling faster than any weapon would.
Read the beginning of the initial post. That's a direct quote from Memory Alpha. If you remember ST:IV, the captured BoP that Kirk used to travel back to 1986 beamed him aboard while cloaked and also handled communications while cloaked. Also I never mentioned the the ability or inability of ships to fire weapons while under cloak at all so the weapons discussion is disregarded.
This is true, but upon thinking about it, I can't for the life of me figure out how the Enterprise wasn't able to just track the transmissions back to the source. And this is because later TNG episodes (and TOS Balance of Terror) revealed that comm traffic could allow someone to track the position of a cloaked ship.
But not meaning the transmissions themselves would decloak the ship. But the main issue here is not communication coming from outside the ship, say from Qo'noS, decloaking the ship repeatedly that irritates people the most. It's the intraship communication between the Captain and the Bridge Officers decloaking the ship, which it definitely should not, that bothers people. Incoming extraship communication should not decloak the ship merely make it possible to locate the ship should there be anyone who might notice or be looking. Intraship communication should never decloak a vessel. This isn't The Hunt for Red October where Seaman Jones can be heard piping Paganini. Sound cannot travel in a vacuum.
Actually the torpedo was guided to hunt emissions using all the tech they had to catalog gaseous anomalies because "well the thing's gotta have a tailpipe." Thus your attempt at canon, while humorous, fails.
But not meaning the transmissions themselves would decloak the ship. But the main issue here is not communication coming from outside the ship, say from Qo'noS, decloaking the ship repeatedly that irritates people the most. It's the intraship communication between the Captain and the Bridge Officers decloaking the ship, which it definitely should not, that bothers people. Incoming extraship communication should not decloak the ship merely make it possible to locate the ship should there be anyone who might notice or be looking. Intraship communication should never decloak a vessel. This isn't The Hunt for Red October where Seaman Jones can be heard piping Paganini. Sound cannot travel in a vacuum.
Intraship no, but I was just commenting on the need to create a plot device for a emission seeking torpedo in Undiscovered Country when Chang was using open channels the whole time (something that should easily allow the BoP to be detected or at least pinpointed). Just always seemed odd to me.
Aside from Balance of Terror I can't think of any time where intraship noise allowed for detection (not decloaking but basic detection ie "the ship is still in the area"). This decloaking thing is nothing more then a bug though.
Intraship no, but I was just commenting on the need to create a plot device for a emission seeking torpedo in Undiscovered Country when Chang was using open channels the whole time (something that should easily allow the BoP to be detected or at least pinpointed). Just always seemed odd to me.
Aside from Balance of Terror I can't think of any time where intraship noise allowed for detection (not decloaking but basic detection ie "the ship is still in the area"). This decloaking thing is nothing more then a bug though.
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