It's allright you lot moaning.

Imagine my disappointment...... I wanted a pony.

Space ponies will be a reality one day. its just a matter of time.

This again?

Feds are the only faction in canon to use carriers. They used two during the Dominion War. A modular refit of the Galaxy Class (Most fighter wings are called "Galaxy Wings" in those DS9 battles, and a medium range carrier for skirmishes called the Shelly Class (named for the author of Frankenstein, they are a part of the DW Frankenfleet). The Shelly has two variants. One is a troop carrier (USS Curry) and the other seen is a light carrier (the Raging Queen).

There's your canon.

I'll save the "Gene was running his own shows into the ground and what we call the best Trek episodes in TNG/TOS were opposed by him" argument for Ten Forward.


EDIT: I may have switched up Curry and Raging Queen. I'm too lazy to dig around on ex-astris-scientia

The Galaxy Rangers had Space Ponies! There is no Galaxy Rangers MMO though. Sucks too because I want one of those mechanical blaster arms!

i dont get the big deal about carriers or why people have such a hatred of them in the star trek universe as if their very concept is like turning the laws of physics on its head.

just about every large ship contains a number of runabouts, shuttles etc. they are nearly all carriers from a certain viewpoint.

carrying smaller ships on-board is not unusual at all, yet if they are used as a combat tool (of which runabouts, peregrine fighters have been used to attack larger vessels from time to time) its seen as not being canon.

they never used scatter volley, or tykens rift or photonic officer etc as every day weapons in combat. the odd time we see a power used it was used once in a desperate situation rather than a first line of attack yet our ships use these powers all the time. they never healed their hull or re-spawned after death yet we have it here because its a game.

some things are just used in ways that were not used in the shows. this game is not a star trek simulator. it is not a 100% accurate representation of the way things were in the show. its an mmo game with a strong slant towards combat. treat it as such.

some ships just have larger hanger bays to house a larger number of smaller crafts. the game just takes it and puts its combat heavy spin on it.

"Feds are the only faction in canon to use carriers. They used two during the Dominion War. A modular refit of the Galaxy Class (Most fighter wings are called "Galaxy Wings" in those DS9 battles, and a medium range carrier for skirmishes called the Shelly Class (named for the author of Frankenstein, they are a part of the DW Frankenfleet). The Shelly has two variants. One is a troop carrier (USS Curry) and the other seen is a light carrier (the Raging Queen).

There's your canon. +

I dont know who wrote that bs but yes I remember that episode clearly. What they were talking about was the fleet divisions. The galaxy class starship at the time was the most advanced battleship the Federation had. This means logicaly they would have the galaxy ships grouped together in galaxy wings lol. Just like they had the lighter faster ships flying in a wing with the Defiant.

"i dont get the big deal about carriers or why people have such a hatred of them in the star trek universe as if their very concept is like turning the laws of physics on its head.

just about every large ship contains a number of runabouts, shuttles etc. they are nearly all carriers from a certain viewpoint.

carrying smaller ships on-board is not unusual at all, yet if they are used as a combat tool (of which runabouts, peregrine fighters have been used to attack larger vessels from time to time) its seen as not being canon.

they never used scatter volley, or tykens rift or photonic officer etc as every day weapons in combat. the odd time we see a power used it was used once in a desperate situation rather than a first line of attack yet our ships use these powers all the time. they never healed their hull or re-spawned after death yet we have it here because its a game.

some things are just used in ways that were not used in the shows. this game is not a star trek simulator. it is not a 100% accurate representation of the way things were in the show. its an mmo game with a strong slant towards combat. treat it as such.

some ships just have larger hanger bays to house a larger number of smaller crafts. the game just takes it and puts its combat heavy spin on it."

That is your point of view but I disagree. This being said to each his/her own. I wrote my thoughts on this and thats all I wanted to do. So Ill leave it at that.

That "BS" is straight from the show and production notes.

Galaxy wings ARE fighters. Fighter aircraft = wing, naval formation = squadron.

SISKO: Ensign, where are our fighters?
NOG: Captain, Galaxy Wings 1 and 3 are engaged. The others have lost communication!

From Sacrifice of Angels.

Galaxy Wing obviously refers to fighter craft in the above context. Since they are given the name Galaxy, it's simple to assume that they are being launched from the powerful Galaxy class (most powerful ships in US Navy are indeed it's aircraft carriers).

Shelley classes are usually not seen onscreen with Galaxy classes. In the tougher engagements, Galaxies provide the fighter cover, in small skirmishes you will usually see a Shelley onscreen flanked by several Peregrines.

TLDR: It's in the f---ing TV show.

Well, I would not call this a troll but let's put at least one thing in perspective.

Technically, every one of the larger ships was a Carrier to some degree, including the Enterprise in various incarnations.

They had multiple shuttle bays and could deploy a number of support craft from those bays, including and up to Runabout or Delta Flyer class vessels which were certainly 'gunboat' grade vessels and quite combat worthy.

Does this make them a Carrier? No.

Does it make ships with larger flight bays feasible where the mission parameters would call for considerable numbers of support craft (like evacuating a planet where Hyperonic radiation would utterly disable transporters, a completely canon reference) or regular combat roles in areas like the badlands where fighter grade craft are preferable?

The simple fact is that carrier style ships, knowing that the Runabouts, Flyer's and Peregrines are evident in the Star Trek universe post DS 9 and Voyager (and whatever the combat flyers Wesley et al were flying as part of nova squadron which were precision combat craft), would absolutely become feasible mission roles for the Federation, both combat and non-combat.

I appreciate your love of the canon material friend, but if you are going to pick a deviation to rough up for it's stupidity? I'd be barking up the 'so, Uniforms are not uniform?' argument long before the carrier one.

The new carrier escort is an interesting extrapolation on the existing lore and materials to me.

I don't find it remotely jarring as a natural progression of the ships that would be out there.

I find all us feddies flying Marauders, Jem'hadar ships and Galor class cruisers or pimping mah stahship (spelling intended) with Borg bits WAY more jarring than this.

I'm not one cutting cryptic much slack for their poor choices lately. But this feels like the wrong target to attack mate.

Maybe my point of view reduces your ire, maybe not, but I hope it helps. It's ok to just not like the ship. But I think the canon argument is not especially strong.

Fighters (Or I;m assuming that they were fighters) were also part of TNG:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Duty

hmmm, what does rocky horror picture show have to do with this again?