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# 41
03-25-2009, 12:19 PM
The problem with a lottery contest of registered users is that I can (but honestly haven't) create as many usernames to this website as I have IPs / e-mails for. In this case disreputable individuals could create a higher chance of winning than if they have to actually submit a compelling creative work that is picked from a judge.

edit fixed typo!
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# 42 Clueless
03-25-2009, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Capn Danger
Agree with darthdonte, i myself was spurred to enter the competition by there being a prize of some kind on offer. Even creative people like a carrot - whats the point in randomly assigning 'prizes' to forum users?
No point at all. It's a clueless response from Awen.

We are talking about people's most important resource: time. When someone spends a lot of time on something creative, then loses to someone breaking the clearly stated rules, it is a THEFT of their time. And when people's complaints are derided, belittled and otherwise marginalized, the feeling of outrage is compounded.

Awen has made way too many mistakes, first in the 'Planet Exploration' contest and now here. I also think the way the controversy around ship interiors was handled was ugly.

This is an unforgiving biz, and anyone in it should take heat with grace. Blaming people who are honestly astonished and hurt by the way this contest was conducted is the last straw for me (and, clearly, many of us), and is why I call for Awen to go.


If Cryptic wants to hire rule-flouting cyber bullies to run their contests, then I have to start comparing their operation to companies I will never give another dime to... SOE and FunCom.
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# 43
03-25-2009, 12:21 PM
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That one was 10,000 words.
LOL!

And in russian.

very entertaining though.

Congrats!
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# 44
03-25-2009, 12:22 PM
She apologized admitted her mistake and told those in charge. I think that shows responsibility. Mistakes happen, it shouldn't lead to condemnation of Cryptic or Awen. I don't agree with the lottery idea mind you, we shouldn't limit creativity. But we should trust that this example would lead both sides to be more responsible in the future? Let's not keep playing the blame game over and over. It won't solve anything.
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# 45
03-25-2009, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Admiral Wynn
No point at all. It's a clueless response from Awen.

We are talking about people's most important resource: time. When someone spends a lot of time on something creative, then loses to someone breaking the clearly stated rules, it is a THEFT of their time. And when people's complaints are derided, belittled and otherwise marginalized, the feeling of outrage is compounded.

Awen has made way too many mistakes, first in the 'Planet Exploration' contest and now here. I also think the way the controversy around ship interiors was handled was ugly.

This is an unforgiving biz, and anyone in it should take heat with grace. Blaming people who are honestly astonished and hurt by the way this contest was conducted is the last straw for me (and, clearly, many of us), and is why I call for Awen to go.


If Cryptic wants to hire rule-flouting cyber bullies to run their contests, then I have to start comparing their operation to companies I will never give another dime to... SOE and FunCom.
Dude, chill. Calling for someone to be fired for this is just stupid.

vvvvv With respect, that doesn't by any means make it right... And I think many people are taking this too seriously... vvvvvv
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# 46
03-25-2009, 12:28 PM
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Dude, chill. Calling for someone to be fired for this is just stupid.
I've seen folks fired for less.

This is not a trivial matter.

Of course, it's up to Cryptic, they will deal with it themselves.
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# 47
03-25-2009, 12:29 PM
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Dude, chill. Calling for someone to be fired for this is just stupid.
i sort of agree with this.

calling for someone to be fired is pretty much out of line.
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# 48
03-25-2009, 12:30 PM
After seeing the most recent episode of 24, people make it sound as though Awen is Ethan Kanin. *Reference not important*

I don't see why creativity HAS to be fostered in a competition for a beta slot. I, like many others, was disappointed in that the winner was selected from an entry that had violated one of the contest rules. I think lotteries are the way to go. Even when the contest is only for a forum title (see contest #1, in which the runners up weren't announced) people still go at Cryptic's metaphorical throat over something so minor as a title.

No, lotteries are not perfect, but given the alternatives I think it is the way to go to keep the largest number of people happy. I think the only other way to go would be to hold contests as they have been held, only instead of Cryptic deciding the winner, they decide the best 2-3 and the the community votes the 1st place winner, with the runners up being the two that made it to the final three but lost. That way if a finalist doesn't adhere to the rules, and it passes under Cryptic's radar, the community can decide how to treat said entry by either collectively refusing to vote for it, or by deciding "Yes, this entry IS that good" and ignoring its failure to comply to the rules.

For those curious, it was also inherently involve allowing the community to read the entries that will ultimately be deemed runners up.
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# 49
03-25-2009, 12:33 PM
You know I normally don't get involved in community drama, but are you guys seriously kidding me....300 words vs 600. How petty are we as a community. yeah, the story did go over, but how long the story verses how good it is is irrelevant. During the Gettysburg address, the guy that was speaking before Lincoln, spoke for TWO HOURS, and yet no one remembers his name, Lincoln spoke for 45 minutes and that speech was what touched American so much that its still taught to this day, oh and btw he wrote on a napkin as he was coming by horse and buggy to Gettysburg.

When something is well written it doesn't need the power of size and length to support its self, all it needs to do is engage the reader and allow them to feel as though they are delving into the fiction that they are reading.

was there a mistake of course, will it happen again, well it appears practices are being put into place to prevent future mistakes. However what was the crime here, the fact that word counting took a back seat to an exciting and engaging story that caught the attention of others. tbh whether the story was 300 words or 600 whether the story took 45 minutes to read or 2 hours, is really irrelevant, I am sure that the rest of the stories where very good and for that I congratulate the hard work and thought that went into them, however what was accomplished was that this story attracted the attention of the people reading it and for that it was good.

Besides look at it this, so what if a 600 word story won, at least we will have more opportunities in the future to be that one winner! Not winning a Beta key is not the end of the world and last i checked everyone is aloud to make at least 1 mistake in their life and manage to not get the death penalty for it.
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# 50 Agree
03-25-2009, 12:35 PM
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I've seen folks fired for less.

This is not a trivial matter.

Of course, it's up to Cryptic, they will deal with it themselves.
It would be trivial if it were the first totally botched contest run by Awen. It isn't. Being able to learn from one's previous mistakes is important. Messing up again, acting defiantly, trying to distort the record... at what point do you say enough is enough?

Spare us a protracted debate and resign, Awen. It is the honorable thing to do.
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