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# 171
06-22-2012, 05:00 AM
Seriuosly, you think we are jealous of the ship?

We are upset that we have been further regulated to the shadows with word of being never bothered with again, stuck with half of a faction, while parts of the fanbase that shares the game with us keep saying "get used to it."

WHo in thier right mind with any sense of justice would not be upset?
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# 172
06-22-2012, 09:05 AM
It's not ship envy. There are plenty of ships in this game as it is. It's that the Feds whine and cry for new ones all the time, and they get them. It's not just ships either. Meanwhile, the KDF doesn't even have the basic gameplay elements in place to actually enjoy using the ships they do have.

It's frustrating because some people enjoy the KDF playstyle, but have nothing to do in-game. But I guess a fed-centric player would not understand that.

I think I am pretty reasonable. All I want is the following:

- KDF-only content to carry us from level 1 to 20, then what we have from there is fine IMO.

- Open PVP in certain sector blocks

- Continue developing stuff for the feds, but throw the KDF at least a small bone with every fed-centric release

Do those things, and KDF will be fine in my book. Not on par with the feds, but that is fine with me. Yeah, the feds are the biggest portion of players. Just make it look like you made an effort with the KDF.

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# 173
06-22-2012, 09:12 AM
I agree.. we need to start getting more ships... and fast. We also need to start getting hybrids ourselves to even out the imbalance against ridiculous ships like the Atrox and Armitage...both of which if built right by an experienced pvpr are quite OP. I think its high time we got a new, hybrid ship of our own. Check out this thread detailing a new BoP idea....the K'Vort BoP/Cruiser hybrid.


http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=277651



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# 174
06-22-2012, 09:51 AM
Honestly, I was down to all I wanted was an equal range of costumes. That's it. I gave up on everything else.

But they can't even manage that, so now I just stick to blueside.
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# 175
06-22-2012, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by adon333 View Post
I agree.. we need to start getting more ships... and fast. We also need to start getting hybrids ourselves to even out the imbalance against ridiculous ships like the Atrox and Armitage...both of which if built right by an experienced pvpr are quite OP. I think its high time we got a new, hybrid ship of our own. Check out this thread detailing a new BoP idea....the K'Vort BoP/Cruiser hybrid.......
*points to the Marauder as a Hybrid, then dusts it off a little because its been around such a long time*

As far as a good PvPer making any ship OP.... Have you ever fought a skilled PvPer in a B'rel? The much maligned B'rel, in the hands of a skilled pilot is only second to the thrice accursed bug in OPness in my book. The key is the skilled pilot, a bad one will get blown away.

I think everyone is just taking advantage of the new ship to vent their frustrations. Not that they're not warranted and justified, its not even wrong to vent TBH. But, the more I think about it the more I realize the missing 25 levels of PvE is a boon not a curse. People are more apt to try a KDF toon if they only have to level 25 levels instead of the full 50, and those that are hyped about playing a KDF captain will still burn thru the fed levels in a weekend anyway. I myself finished my KDF tac alt well before my fed engi and sci alts, even though I started them way earlier. I would not have been as motivated if I had to stare at a full 50 level progression, especially if it overlapped with fed missions i'd already done. Having played both sides i'd rather the fed missions were fewer but at the quality enjoyed by the KDF missions. They may be fewer but are generally better. (Note: I admit this seems like a backwards way of looking at things, but I can't get around the fact that i don't think the generally held opinion that a lot more would start out as KDF if given the change is at all correct. I could be wrong i just don't think I am. Heck, I wish I was wrong. I just don't see it.)

People say they want to have places to play their ships.... does anyone think Fed players go back and replay the early missions for anything else other than level appropriate rewards? Of course not. What Feds and KDFs need is more endgame content to fly our ships in.

That said I do wholeheartedly agree that the KDF needs a few more ships and definitely more ship costumes, or at least to open up past costumes to higher level ships. For example I want the ning'kao X-wing look to be available to more BoPs. Its insane that after out leveling it you never get to use an old costume. At least for the KDF, which has a history of not changing the look of ships as much as they make newer versions. More importantly it opens up new options for players, and even cryptic wins since it makes C-store ships more enticing if you can reuse their looks on higher tier ships. The venture class skin making it to the Galaxy and Dreadnought classes are perfect examples of this.

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# 176
06-22-2012, 06:04 PM
When I say "hybrid" I am not referring to the marauder.. I am referring to something like the Armitage...an escort/carrier hybrid. Something a bit more blatant as far as the term "hybrid" goes. As to your BoP statement.. yes, in fact my main flies a Brel and has done so for as long as they have been out. I also mainly just pvp in STO. It took me a very long time thru many nerfs to learn a good <and current> viable pvp build for my BoP and lots of practice. Now I wolf it up with the best of em.... perhaps you'd like to meet me in Kerrat and get acquainted?

Either way... the Atrox and the Armitage in the hands of a decent pvpr and with an optimal build are two very superior ships to the majority of the klingon line up.. just like the FE and MVAE. This is nothing new. Now the fact that the feds keep gettin OP c-store ships cranked out every few weeks while the KDF meanwhile gets nothing....THAT is where the majority of the angst is coming from. NOT that fed ships are too OP ...we already know fed ships are stronger than klingon ships... as someone said today in Kerrat..."Balance isn't exactly one of STO's strong points."



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# 177
06-22-2012, 06:32 PM
Escort/Carrier = Hybrid = Cruiser/Carrier. I'm not sure what the complaint it?

Its clear that in STO terms carriers just need to carry combat pets of some sort, it does not denote any handling characteristics.

And my Vo'quv did PvP just fine and I'm a mediocre PvPer if even that. Admittedly i've never flown an Atrox but I can't imagine it being too different. You launch your pets and you do your Sci powers. And that was being flown by a tac no less. By all accounts the Kar'fi is the actual carrier powerhouse, and most agree the Atrox does not compare.

There's plenty of OP KDF ships too; however, your complaints about wanting more ships are completely valid. Like I said they should alt least open up some of the lower tier skins for the sake of variety. Not as good as new ships but it'd at least improve the visual aspect a bit.
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# 178
06-22-2012, 06:39 PM
We will have to agree to disagree on what ships are OP. <Hey that rhymes! lol> But anyways.. what I was sayin is that klingon players arent angry at the new ships being too strong so much as they are angry over the new ships themselves. Or rather, the number of them.

This is how it looks to a predom. Klingon player.... the feds seem to get a new ship or shiny just about every few weeks, meanwhile, Klingons continue to get only the shaft. THAT is where most of the gripe is coming from. That's all I was trying to say. Oh, that and we need a new ship.>cough< K'Vort! >cough<



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# 179
06-22-2012, 10:31 PM
I fly escorts so I can understand watching others get ships, the last endgame fed escort came out... over a year ago? The highlight was the release of the Sao Paolo because it brought new ship costume options. Seriously, we were all excited for costume options and a weapon of questionable power that looks really cool. To escort pilots "them" are the cruiser captains lol, so everyone always has greener grass to want. KDF get annoyed Feds get more ships, while escort pilots get annoyed another cruiser is added to the fed ranks, bleh.

Are you counting the shuttle as a ship release? That may as well be a giant doorstop or paperweight.

The k'vort.... 8 weapons, 6 forward, 2 rear, so an increase in forward firepower of roughly 33%? With a cloak?... Is it made of tinfoil and lacking in shields? If it has no downsides I'd expect the downside to be a high price. the first of the $30 USD ships? But hey, if they think they can get KDF players to spend on it they may very well release it. Its not like balance matters to the devs after all.

Kidding aside, i wonder if the reason we don't see ships come out more often really IS a lack of ideas as to what to release? All we mostly see are abilities shuffled around, adding a fighter bay to an FE and, reskinning and tweaking of the the Vo'quv, I understand the catian shuttle reuses an old ability for its "stealth system". Could they be out of ideas? Is that why there's so much talk of fleet bases allowing you to upgrade older ships... saves them the trouble of coming up with something new, much less havign to balance it?

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# 180
06-22-2012, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
I fly escorts so I can understand watching others get ships, the last endgame fed escort came out... over a year ago? The highlight was the release of the Sao Paolo because it brought new ship costume options. Seriously, we were all excited for costume options and a weapon of questionable power that looks really cool. To escort pilots "them" are the cruiser captains lol, so everyone always has greener grass to want. KDF get annoyed Feds get more ships, while escort pilots get annoyed another cruiser is added to the fed ranks, bleh.

Are you counting the shuttle as a ship release? That may as well be a giant doorstop or paperweight.

The k'vort.... 8 weapons, 6 forward, 2 rear, so an increase in forward firepower of roughly 33%? With a cloak?... Is it made of tinfoil and lacking in shields? If it has no downsides I'd expect the downside to be a high price. the first of the $30 USD ships? But hey, if they think they can get KDF players to spend on it they may very well release it. Its not like balance matters to the devs after all.

Kidding aside, i wonder if the reason we don't see ships come out more often really IS a lack of ideas as to what to release? All we mostly see are abilities shuffled around, adding a fighter bay to an FE and, reskinning and tweaking of the the Vo'quv, I understand the catian shuttle reuses an old ability for its "stealth system". Could they be out of ideas? Is that why there's so much talk of fleet bases allowing you to upgrade older ships... saves them the trouble of coming up with something new, much less havign to balance it?
Actually the K'Vort would have a sloow turn rate and less hull and shields than even the weakest sci cruiser. That would make up for the increase to fire power and the cloak. As to what you were saying about why ships are not being released, I think it is these due to the following reasons:

1.) I strongly believe there are only 3 or 4 devs working on this game to keep the servers running...and even then, only during off time from NWN. I do not think there are any devs working on content until the very last minute when they rush something out the week before.

2.) Licensing.... getting licenses for these ships and races often involves multiple parties and layers of copyrights and sometimes even royalties to actors, designers and writers. So even if Cryptic DID care about STO they still would have to cut through a lot of red tape and wait quite awhile for some of these things.

All in all I personally don't believe Cryptic cares enough about the IP or anything Star Trek in general to go through the effort to acquire anything additional that involves a considerable amount of effort.



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