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# 21
06-27-2012, 03:40 PM
so a DBB setup would be great for PVE, that makes sense, but for PVP the cannons are ideal. Got it! I'll just get a beam tac boff/doff set and a cannon tac boff/doff set.

What do you think about directed energy modulation in PVE?
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# 22
06-27-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rayezilla View Post
so a DBB setup would be great for PVE, that makes sense, but for PVP the cannons are ideal. Got it! I'll just get a beam tac boff/doff set and a cannon tac boff/doff set.

What do you think about directed energy modulation in PVE?
That's actually what I do. I have different Doff/Boff setups for different situations. Either way, my skill point tree is the same whether using cannons or beams, so that's all I need to change.

Directed Energy Modulation is still very usable in PvE, particularly against cubes, tac cubes, and bosses. However, if you're using beams, you desperately need to keep your weapon power up following the drain, and EPtW becomes necessary. This is not an issue with cannons, so if using them for PvE you'll find yourself able to use DEM without an issue.

Just depends on which weapon loadout you're running.

I find greater use with cannons overall in PvE and PvP as a Tactical, however an Engineer or Science Gal-X would be far more beneficial using the aforementioned beam layout, likely in both arenas.
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# 23
06-27-2012, 05:26 PM
hmm, ok, so maybe I should set up not only a tac off for beam/cannon skills, but also two eng boffs, one with DEM and one with EPTW. Great advice, I sorely appreciate it. If you're looking for a fleet, the Reddit fleet at reddit.com/r/sto has been really impressive.

What are you using for DOffs? Right now I'm using 3 of the new beam cd doff, the 10% battery boost doff (shield batteries are so good with him), and a warp core engineer. I should note that I am an eng, not a tac.
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# 24
06-27-2012, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rayezilla View Post
hmm, ok, so maybe I should set up not only a tac off for beam/cannon skills, but also two eng boffs, one with DEM and one with EPTW. Great advice, I sorely appreciate it. If you're looking for a fleet, the Reddit fleet at reddit.com/r/sto has been really impressive.

What are you using for DOffs? Right now I'm using 3 of the new beam cd doff, the 10% battery boost doff (shield batteries are so good with him), and a warp core engineer. I should note that I am an eng, not a tac.
Thank you for the kind offer. I will keep it in mind should SOB not work out for any reason.

For DOFFs, I prefer 3x shield distribution officers and 2x cannon officers for the cannon build, swapping the latter two for 2x Emergency Power officers (given you're running 2x EPtS and 2x EPtW continuously, they help).
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# 25 cool downs
06-27-2012, 11:32 PM
If you chain 4 EPtS/EPtW your at the global cool down so how would the cool down reduction doff help? or are you refering to the +25 power doffs?
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# 26
06-28-2012, 06:44 AM
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If you chain 4 EPtS/EPtW your at the global cool down so how would the cool down reduction doff help? or are you refering to the +25 power doffs?
The power increasers. Since you are popping EPTS/W continuously, it tends to proc often enough.
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# 27 there it is...
06-28-2012, 09:34 AM
welll...

They can not say you did not spell it out for them.

Good write up neighbor.
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# 28
06-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Build looks Ok I guess, but to be honest, from your videos it just looks like your taking out unorganised pug teams. - This is simple and requires very little skill at all.

Having watched every video you put up ive come to the conclusion that, the alpha strike with lance will ko most people if it crits right, after that you dont do much dps at all. I didnt see much focus fire on you, so am not sure how well you tank either. My guess is against a well versed pvp fleet you would not do so well due to lack of mobility and no real dps without everything coming back off cooldown Also sticking out like a sore thumb would make you primary target against good teams.

On the other hand, thanks for the videos, some good viewing!
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# 29
06-28-2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by iampulsar View Post
Build looks Ok I guess, but to be honest, from your videos it just looks like your taking out unorganised pug teams. - This is simple and requires very little skill at all.

Having watched every video you put up ive come to the conclusion that, the alpha strike with lance will ko most people if it crits right, after that you dont do much dps at all. I didnt see much focus fire on you, so am not sure how well you tank either. My guess is against a well versed pvp fleet you would not do so well due to lack of mobility and no real dps without everything coming back off cooldown Also sticking out like a sore thumb would make you primary target against good teams.

On the other hand, thanks for the videos, some good viewing!
Something you don't know about 12th Fleet - 500 people.

EVERY 12th group is a PuG group. There is no such thing as a 12th Fleet premade.

That said, it is PuG vs PuG almost every time. Most of those matches I'm not even in TeamSpeak, just shooting at whatever looks like a decent target.

But yes, I do go up against experienced premades. I had 20 videos on that channel, 12th Fleet administration asked that several of them be taken down (some of them my more epic fights).

One of my former beefs with 12th, and one of the reasons I'm no longer with them.

I'll be reuploading these videos by the weekend's end on my personal channel.

Alpha Strike non-crit on a decloak will kill most targets. The crit will kill ALL targets... important distinction. Non-crit averages over (usually 26k per 2 shot burst) for 50k hull damage, crit averages over 100k total.

Aside from that, the DPS of the cannons/turrets is actually very high. I apologize you overlooked the final numbers in most of the matches. If you read, I am either the top damage dealer, or very close to it. Aside from that, I've made many solo kills in there without my lance, just secondary weapons fire, almost every time without team assistance. I apologize you missed those as well.

For tanking, I am not a dedicated tank/healer. I don't build for that. I can do it (as my videos have indeed shown me as the focus target on several occasions), but I fight as a shark, not a hulking stationary target.

Nevertheless, as aforementioned, the better matches that 12th decided were "offensive" I'll be reposting soon. This will allow you to see how the ship performs against more seasoned premades (even when 12th doesn't have a premade itself).
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# 30
06-29-2012, 05:48 PM
Ok, since the sovvy refit won't be out for quite a while, I splurged on the oddy 3-pack since it's on sale.

How would you change your setup for an ody? PVE and PVP?
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