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# 691
07-11-2012, 06:13 AM
This is not so my worst experience but terriblely bad one,

Now from what I have read here time and time again pugging can get bad at times, sometimes u can pug a fantastic group (only had this once). So I now only to run elite stfs with my fleet unless I am bored then I'll pug it.... Btw I'm a tac in a retro defiant

Anywho I group up with a fleet mate and we que for infected elite space,

As we enter I shout out 'do we all know the 10% rule'

Only get one reply, ' yer no noobs here' . So I think ok we shall see, we take the cube and 2 spheres out in the blink of an eye and then proceed to the left side to work on the cube and genes, as we get them down the 10% my fleet mate states that he is ready and waiting and then we blow them.

While working on the first transformer this one guy 'Klingon I may add' starts using his mouth as a weapon, she shouts the following ' RAGE' followed by 'I want Spock dead..... Nowww'

By this time we had the transformer down and just clearing the spheres and he and someone else darts off the the right side and blows one of the genes, both me and my fleet mate in teamspeak are calling this guy a noob, but while he flys in a circle the cube on the left notices he shiny hull and goes : you , die now... And so this guy insta dies.

The 3 of us clearing the spheres manage to stop the nanites heading to the right, my fleet mate goes ahead with more dps then me to blow the rest of the genes then take the cube, I can handle the nanites, so I proceed to blow one at a time while using my slowly abilities that I have, so I'm dumping tractor beam when I need to and using my graviton pulse gene to slow the group the transformer goes bang, Im thinking thank god that's over.

So my surprise loud mouth comes back with 'anger' 'rage' 'smashes fist into keyboard' and he continues this until the fight is over, we just get optional with 3 seconds spare and the loud mouth goes on a rant again calling us all noobs we sould have done it his way I politely tell him to shut up collect my gear and pick the optional up, mr loud mouth comes in with I done all the work I want all the gear.. We all place in capital letters ROFPMSL, he then replays 'I hate you all' and we leave him be,

After looking back on who got what I realised this guy didn't get anything from the optional and me and my fleet mate laugh about it..
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# 692
07-11-2012, 06:41 AM
Originally Posted by indefatigable121 View Post
Right, so looking this over I feel I need to put in my own two pence.

Now I'm an engineer, but NOT a tanking engineer. My Excelsior is designed to be a combat/support ship. I normally play with a tank in an Odyssey. Anywho, I like to torture myself and do PuG Elite STFs on occasion (greedy for chips and such.)

Now I need to explain this ship a bit more thoroughly before I get into this silly little tris. My ship is capable of dumping an incredible amount of firepower for an engineer, combined with manuverability I carved out a little niche in my fleet as the mid field player who can dart in and fill gaps with lotsa pretty crimson bolts of death. Mind you, I have absolutely no threat control, so any and all aggro I pull is because of the damage I'm dealing.

Now for the story.

So I jump into an Elite Khitomer and looking at the team, I'm the only engineer; everyone else is a tactical officer. Not a problem, I believe, they can/should be able to kill anything that looks at them sideways. Cool.

So after the first cube gets waxed I pull off, going my normal route to kill probes on one of the sides while the others kill the generators, transformers and such, and I will aide on my side when I can. Typical, normal everyday manuvers I've been doing since I joined my fleet.

Now, I'm already sitting in the probe lane, killing leisurely, when one of the players shows up, also in an Excelsior, his borg junk hanging all over, and starts attacking my probes. Me, I get a little annoyed, seeing as I figured being in one spot for over 3 minutes is long enough for people to establish that I'm doing something. This guy didn't believe so. So, I stop firing, turn, and attack the generators next to me, assuming since he jumped my spot he can handle it. Nope.

As I'm shooting up the generators, cube, then transformer I'm watching him as well, and seeing he's broadsiding the probes, and getting forced back further and further towards the gate the probes want to go through. When the transformer blows, I dart across infront of the destroyable gate, and kill a probe, thinking it might give him some breathing room to collect himself. Wrong again.

I start on the otherside of the gate, blow up the generators and such, and see his backs against the wall, and two probes make it past him. So I paddle over to him, destroy the four probes bearing down on him, then turn around and sit infront of the gate again.

This guy starts darting all over for a while, then settles down, seeing I haven't moved and am killing without an issue. So he sits above and behind me, shooting at my targets...again.

The gates are destroyed without any more issues and now it's time for Donatara...

Now I must reiterate that I'm an engineer, and not a tanking one. No threat control, just firepower, so I can only aggro through shooting something.

Now, Donatara shows up and immediately blows up one of the tac officers. I'm shooting at her by now and it was almost like she noticed me and went: YOU.

She proceeds to chase me around the map as I shoot back, vainly trying to get out of her sights. The other four are shooting on her, but for the life of them cannot pull aggro. So she blows me up and turns on the others.

This goes on for about 20 minutes. She pops one of them while I'm dead, then instantly turns on me, over and over. I stopped firing at her and just watched the dps they were doing out of curiosity. They were averaging 3-600 dps. My shots were doing 6-1200dps.

We finally managed to kill her after I figured out how to work my engines and get behind her. (BTW she has an incredible turn rate!)

I was extremely impressed with my ship, but also found it laughable that ONE engineer could do more damage than FOUR tac officers combined.
An incredible tale. Who said the Excelsior is "aging" lol!

I get similar attention in my Tactical Odyssey Prototype. It's just the "low DPS useless 2 console" Prototype but each phaser DBB BO3 does over 12k damage. Couple that with Sensor scan, Attack Pattern Beta and a following salvo of quantum torpedoes makes for impressive burst damage which means this poor prototype always gets the lion's share of aggro even with zero threat control.

Donatra would just chase me round and round while the "Elite" pugs wouldn't even dent her rear shield!

The only thing that kind of works in that scenario is get someone to eject warp plasma and gravwell all over her and just wear her shields down gradually by attrition while the Scimitar is stationary. Careful she can still spin around like a fleet escort while locked down.
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# 693
07-11-2012, 06:54 AM
what is the fascination with popping the first generator in infected as quickly as possible?

I see that, and then the Starfleet tactical cruiser guy and his friend (sometimes, but not always another tactical cruiser) go off on their own to try to kill nanites after popping the closest generator, ignoring the 3 other generators, sometimes not even contributing to the transformer... or, more recently, I see tactical cruiser guy hotel alpha to 10km stand off range of the generators on the opposite side of the transformer from the gateway so that the Borg adds don't aggro on them. instead, the escorts and bops in the group get to tank the new Borg because some cruiser captains don't want to get their hull dirty.

killing an unshielded generator doesn't prove how great your build is! killing nanites & not helping to take down structures doesn't prove anything about your abilities either. if you pop the generator early, you should help clean the mess, not park far away to pick off lone nanite probes.
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# 694
07-11-2012, 01:20 PM
I have to vent.

I HATE double EDC days. It brings out the worst players into the Elite rounds. Just TRIED to run IGE (only tech I still need), group was going fine, had like 2 minutes left on the optional and started the last room. They bum rush it and get killed.

Then becky's room. I should have known it was going to be bad when they started spawning pets to agro the room. First run my system locked but I managed to get back, and luckily STO was running and I could start up where I was. Well I look and they are to the 4th corner, I'm thinking well done. Look to my side and the first corner has reset and the borg are respawning. So not sure what happened.

I do the jumping with 2 others for the second round. Things are going well, little timing issue on corner 3, but got past it. Get to corner 4, one of the 2 not jumping falls in the plasma for some reason. 3 of us clear the 4th corner of the borg, and then one guy leaves the corner with out hitting the console and starts trying to resurrect the one in the plasma instead of hitting the console so we could keep moving. Then basically ignores what the mission is and starts shooting borg. Well needless to say corner 1 has reset. Then he just randomly starts shooting borg. Does not respawn with the rest of us to start over, then bails out of the mission.

So that left 4 of us, oops now 3 because he bailed someone else did. Then another leaving 2 of us.

I'm sorry but the elite channel is broken. It's just a PUG group anymore that is now formed in the channel instead of the que. There was no reason for 1/2 that team to have been in elite, except they wanted 4edc and hoped the group would pull them through somehow.

Its not just IGE today, but ISE. When the chat in the waiting to start area is "who is doing what?" I got worried since it's one mission that doesn't need assigned positions. luckily that one worked out.
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# 695
07-11-2012, 09:50 PM
Originally Posted by catliketyping View Post
killing an unshielded generator doesn't prove how great your build is! killing nanites & not helping to take down structures doesn't prove anything about your abilities either. if you pop the generator early, you should help clean the mess, not park far away to pick off lone nanite probes.
Totally agree, only the culprit last night was a well built MVAE that had great DPS potential (fleet or forum based build?) but the pilot was a different matter.

He would attack the nearest generator in ISE, stay far from the cube, run far away when the nanite swarm ensued.

There was little time to warn anyone so I just told off said MVAE pilot to "If you are so kind as to deploy a dozen spheres, why don't you mop it up ALL BY YOURSELF like a responsible man?"

That shook him awake and instead of hanging off 20km away he did make an effort to join the team. Tactical Odyssey PUG managed to do a smart move luring spheres to follow him round and round the transformer and not shoot anyone so it was a simple matter of swooping in and popping the spheres with warp plasma and massed cannon fire.

Mr. MVAE despite his huge front DPS potential decided he was scared of all the spheres, barely fired fore weapons and instead fired unbuffed turrets at the spheres doing virtually no effective DPS. I had a pair of Galaxy Rs doing much much more damage than that MVAE (Tactical captain Galaxies were doing close to 3k damage per DBB hit with APA, TT and EPTW).

Same story on the other side but this time we were prepared and adopted the unofficial BARCAP strategy to knock out all the spheres as they arrived at the gate.

End of the day I quipped that USS BADASS is a really poor name for a low performing ship.
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# 696
07-11-2012, 10:12 PM
Yesterday on KASE I had the misfortune of being the only one who knew what to do, and having a team that did not communicate. oh sure one guy called kang and the rest split for the right cube so I thought "maybe they know what they are doing". Take out the 2 BoP's and head for the nanites, all 3 of them start attacking the cube. I tell them what needs to be dne but they just keep going, and they all explode at about the same time. I think "ok well maybe when they respawn they will listen. then I see the optional fail and I look behind me and see that mr "I'll defend the kang!" is busy trying in vain to kill a BoP while the other 3 hammer on the kang. I speed back and mop up, then ask why he didnt tell anyone he needed help. No response. So I figure ill sit near by and help, luckily the others had started wotking on the nanites but are still exploding every few minutes so im thinking "well this will be a while." and move to the center cube to pick off BoP's and nanites. im workinf on the bop,s and keeping an eye on the kang when i see that they are trying to blow the cube. I say "Don't kill it yet or we will fail.", I get only silence in response.
I fly over and spam it right infront of them in zone, silence. So long story short they blew the cube and totaly failed to even dent the 3 raptors they were arracking while I was busy slowing the other 3 down and we failed.
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# 697
07-11-2012, 10:41 PM
Good players can fail STF because of misunderstanding.
Yesterday I ran KASE with guys from elitestf channel. Usually everyone is ok.
Before we run the stf. We define who do what. In my case I should help on the right side and start the job for other players when the finish withe the left side.
When I was on the right side. The guy with me told me. Hey. You're not the right side. You should be with all of them. I thought my english is poor. Maybe misunderstood. So I went to the left. The guy on the right side let 3 probe passed out. And the leader said . WTF why did you say to lars (my name ingame) go to the left?
We failed optionnal.
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# 698 I got the oddy blues.
07-11-2012, 11:58 PM
There I was......................


I PuG in and see 4 oddys.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

I say 'HI as usual.

No responce.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

I fly off to the cube and it goes down fairly quick despite the technicolor rainbow beams on all 4 oddys.

I say I'll take probe duty and fly to where i can kill probes from both sides.

I look back, all 4 oddys followed me to center.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

So I say, 'OK, I'm going left' and I fly left and start on the nodes.

I look back and all 4 oddys followed me to the left.

I say, 'Anyone going to handle the probes?'

No responce.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

So I fly back and kill a couple probes.

I look around, all 4 oddys had followed me.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

So I fly right in front of them where I know they could see me.

I type, 'Two of you stay here and kill the probes coming from the left and right, two of you follow me.'

No Responce.

I think, 'Oh Goody.'

I fly left again and look around. All 4 oddys had followed me.

I said, 'Yall have a wondeful life.'

And bugged out.

The 4 oddys had to be thinking, 'Now what do we do?'
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# 699
07-12-2012, 07:07 AM
Well, a terrible one before work this morning, thankfully offset by a fantastic one at lunchtime (BST); both Infected Space Elite - I'll keep them as short a possible:

Morning: One of those times where you pretty know that it's going to be hard work from the onset, courtesty of two rainbow boats who had no idea. The transformers got popped too quickly resulting in a sphere-fest that took much too long to clear - at one point I was the only player not awaiting respawn. The rainbow brigade failed to listen to the advice of myself and the other decent player present, and once the sphere-mess was clear did the exact same thing the other side. Thankfully a prototype tech dropped at the end of it, which just about made up for the hard work myself and the other decent player put into it.

Lunchtime: I know this isn't the 'best STF' thread, but serious - mission stated with approximately 12 mintues to spare before the seven-hour sever downtime. First Cube went down in about 30 seconds, 10% rule observed though a player in a very tanky Sovereign killed the first above-generator cube whilst we were working on the transformers/generator. This resulted in both sets of transformers and genertors having rather short lives, we popped the gate and Tactical cube and received a fairly decent loot. All finished three minutes before the downtime commenced

Last edited by reyan01; 07-12-2012 at 07:16 AM.
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07-12-2012, 07:09 AM
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