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Rihannsu
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# 21
07-15-2012, 06:18 PM
Feds have Boff skill that works like cloaking, even though it *isn't* cloaking. I could see them giving a Mask Energy Signature type effect to Aquarius.
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# 22
07-15-2012, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
The BoP has 4/2 Weapons load out too.
I guess you managed to miss this, seeing as it was a few posts above yours.

I'll post it again, maybe it will start to sink into people's heads.




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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
I think you missed a few things.

1) Aquarius Base Turn = 16 vs. Hegh'ta Base Turn = 21
2) Hegh'ta gets innate Enhanced Battle Cloak vs. Aquarius gets Nothing
3) Aquarius Shield Mod = 0.66 (regular) & 0.72 (Fleet) vs. RA Hegh'ta Shield Mod 0.8
4) Hegh'ta completely universal BOFF stations including Commander & Lt Commander vs. Aquarius with Uni Lt & Ensign.
5) Hegh'ta 120k dilithium or free choice at level up vs. Aquarius at 2K Z points and T4 Fleet Shipyard.


The Aquarius is a Hegh'ta with no battle cloak and no special ability at all with even less shields than the Hegh'ta and less turn rate than a Defiant - much less a Hegh'ta.

Enhanced battle cloak, which grants both an offense bonus as well as a defense tool to compensate for poor survivability is no where to be found on this ship, nor is any equivalent ability of comparable power.


The design of this ship fails on multiple levels, on top of that it costs 2k Z points for ONE character and requires a T4 Fleet ship yard!




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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
What possible logical reason could there be to add a cloaking device to this ship?
To make this ship even remotely usable?

It's pointless now.



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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
Just another note on useless/pointless ships here, the Bortasqu Hoh'Sus Bird of Prey has also been made, it's got the same layout as a Hegh'tha (Standard BoP) and a weaker hull and shields. It doesn't turn better or anything and yet it exists.

Take another look, and compare it to the Hegh'ta.

Hint: Look for red, look for bold.



Fleet Hoh'sus Bird Of Prey

Commander - Uni
Lt Commander - Uni
Lieutenant - Uni
Lieutenant - Uni

Engineering: 3
Tactical: 4
Science: 3

Weapons
Fore: 4
Aft: 2

Turn: 21
Hull: 24750
Crew: 75
Device Slots: 2
Shield Mod: 0.88



In case you were counting, that's 10 console slots and a higher shield mod than the Hegh'ta.
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# 23
07-15-2012, 09:17 PM
I guess dknight0001 was looking at the non-fleet version of the Hoh'sus, which is, in fact, inferior to the Hegh'ta (except it has 4 tac console slots, if I remember right).

The fleet Hoh'sus is an improved Hegh'ta (that I would want to get, if it weren't for the exorbitant price of Tier 4 shipyard and 4 fleet modules).

Also, notice there are three flavors of cloak. Basic cloak (that most Klingon ships have), Battle cloak (that most BoPs have) and an Enhanced Battle Cloak (that only the B'rel retrofit has). (EDIT: And yes, other masking possibilities as well on both FED and KDF ships.)

And to the topic: While I appreciate the Aquarius is not a new overpowered escort with 10 weapon slots and 5 hangars, well, ... they could have made it competitive. Which it is not.

These stats actually remind me the ridicule shuttle-like stats of the Fleet Ning'tao BoP, that is, until one notices its unique universal Boff layout.
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# 24
07-16-2012, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
I guess dknight0001 was looking at the non-fleet version of the Hoh'sus
He might have been.

The point remains that even the Fleet Aquarius is completely inferior to the free Hegh'ta.

It has no redeeming qualities, only drawbacks.
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# 25
07-16-2012, 06:11 AM
I'm gonna compare it with the patrol escort..

Patrol escort
Boffs: 4t 3t 1e 2e 2s
consoles: 3e 4t 2s
weapons: f4 a3
hull: 31000
shield modifier 0.9
base crew 200
base turn 12
device slots 2
abilities: +15 power to weapons, can use cannons

Pretty standard Escort ship, a little better at Eng than most.

Fleet Patrol Escort
Boffs: 4t 3t 2e 2s 1u
consoles: 4e4t2s
weapons: f4a3
hull: 34100
shield modifier .99
base crew 200
base turn 16
device slots 2
abilities: +15 w power, cannons
requires fleet SY 1

a not-quite-standard Fleet upgrade. it has the normal +10% boost to shields and hull, and an extra (Eng)console slot. Non-standard features: the 1E station was converted to a 1U station, it gives flexibility, but not more powers. Also, unless my numbers are wrong, it has a higher base turn.

Aquarius Destroyer
Boffs: 4t 3t 2e 2u 1u
consoles: 3e 4t 2s
weapons: f4 a2
hull: 24000
shield modifier .66
base crew 50
base turn 16
device slots 2
abilities: +15 w power, cannons
requires fleet SY 4

Higher base turn, and universal slots. In all other ways it's pretty much inferior. It has 3/4 the hull, and less than 3/4 the shields, it also has one less weapon. Also it has a pitiful number of crew... 50???

Fleet Aquarius Destroyer
Boffs: 4t 3t 2e 2u 1u
consoles: 4e 4t 2s
weapons: f4 a2
hull: 26400
shield modifier .72
base crew 50
base turn 16
device slots 2
abilities: +15 w power, cannons
requires fleet SY 4

This is a standard fleet upgrade. +1 console, +10% hull and shields, but upgrading crap doesn't make it good.
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# 26
07-16-2012, 06:18 AM
Pity really; buying it may not make any sense for reasons listed many times already, but it IS a nice looking little ship!*

* And I am NOT saying that this is enough to make it a viable purchase.

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# 27
07-16-2012, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
He might have been.

The point remains that even the Fleet Aquarius is completely inferior to the free Hegh'ta.

It has no redeeming qualities, only drawbacks.
Agreed.

The only advantage it has over the Hegh'ta is the 4 tac console slots compared to Hegh'ta's 3. But given it won't be alive long enough, it still won't do more damage.

Well, isn't the Fleet Defiant also at Shipyard Tier 4? Would you rather the looks of Aquarius or 5 tac console slots?
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Rihannsu
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# 28
07-16-2012, 08:06 AM
I'd go with the Defiant upgrade over Aquarius, but realistically, I'll probably end up using the FPE... FPE is available at level 1 shipyard, AND it doesn't cost Z-points.
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# 29
07-17-2012, 08:18 PM
I think I was looking at the non Fleet version of the Hoh'Sus, but isn't there also a fleet version of the Hegh'Tha.

I'm usually doing these ships from memory as I don't have the updated charts with the new fleet ships in.

Also I was of the Opinion that the Hegh'Tha had .90 Shield Strength.

To make the Aquarius competitive is not a logical reason to give the ship a cloaking device although it's definitely a practical one.

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Practical - as Supported by Star Trek Online being fun and fair to play.
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# 30
07-17-2012, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post

Logic - as Supported by Star Trek Cannon
Practical - as Supported by Star Trek Online being fun and fair to play.

I'm OK with it not getting a cloaking device.

I'm not OK with it being less survivable, less maneuverable & less customizable than ships that get battle cloaks as compensation for how they are designed.


This ship needs higher turn rate at the barest minimum (20 to 24), and then it needs something on par with battle cloak for both offense/defense purposes otherwise it will remain a joke of a ship that actually requires you to be VA to fly.

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