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# 1 lock box ships
07-18-2012, 12:30 AM
Lock box ships is how you sacrifice Star Trek for profits. Starfleet captains flying bugs, galors or even tholian ships ? Why not ? It's money. I'm glad for Gene Roddenberry that he cannot see what Earth Ferengis made out of his dream.

Don't know about others, but for me personally it ruins the the Star Trek immersion. I personally am disgusted.
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# 2
07-18-2012, 01:13 AM
I personally don't mind it - I think it help's with immersion to see a larger variety of ship design's flying around. - back in the good old day's of beta, when everyone had the same ship cuz there was only 1 or 2 for each class, and everyone cept me flew cruisers - it was boring as heck, didn't feel like the universe was populated by anything other then kirk nut huggers.

this is the federation, there should be hundreds of different aliens flying hundreds of different ship designs around space.

if people want to spend their hard earned money for the chance to fly around in an ugly arse cardie Galor just so I don't have to look at an endless sea of cloned cruisers - more power to them.
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# 3
07-18-2012, 01:21 AM
As long as they dont beat us over the head with the lock boxs like the last 2 times "you put our a fire, you got a lockbox" Then im not entirely bothered, i might even try myself once or twice, but as long as they dont forget those who dont like to spend money and keep stuff in the game that we can get, then we shoud we worry?
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# 4
07-18-2012, 01:37 AM
Personally I have absolutely no idea what gene would think.

Gene's 'vision' was about humans living together in peace. That much is certain but the rest was open to storytelling in my view. I doubt he would really care if some players in a non-canon computer game could fly different ship to a Starfleet vessel but again honestly, I really don't know. Maybe he would hate STO, maybe he would hate DS9 or XI but they're here. None of us know what he would say or what he would change.

Why do fans only think that only STO is about making money? Have you not seen the thousands upon thousands of bits of merchandise that people make at the truck load to sell to Star Trek fans? Ever bought the TV series and films being released and re-released over and over again in every new format? Ever tried to get an autograph from one of the stars or gone to a convention. It all costs money, and it costs a lot of money. The entire franchise has been about taking as much money out of Trek fans as they can. Much like STO its all a persons choice to buy.

The companies that make Star Trek over the years have done so purely for profit. Our enjoyment is sadly a by-product of their desire to make money. The moment Trek stops making money, it gets cancelled. Sad but true. At least STO gives players the ability to play for free.

And quite frankly, if someone wants to spend their money buying a Jem'hadar ship or a Ferengi ship, then who are we to tell them that is wrong? If people don't like the lock boxes and that's 100% fine, and they spam has been terrible, but some players clearly do buy them and like flying those ships. Was being open to what other people want to do with their lives part of Gene's vision too?

Why does it ruin immersion either? If your immersed that much then its hardly unusual to see Ferengi or Cardassian ships flying around the galaxy. If anything seeing something other than a fed or Klingon ships should increase immersion.

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# 5
07-18-2012, 01:48 AM
You know what would be a really cool lockbox prize? A prize that allows you to denounce your faction and go rogue and have both factions' missions available to play. That would get rid of all you whiners that complain seeing Fed captains in a non-Starfleet ship ruin your immersion and it would also be an amazing prize in general.

All in all, I'm really excited for the upcoming Tholian lockboxes. They seem to have really upped the prizes, which I think pretty much all of them are good prizes, except I'll probably pass on the consumables at the Lobi store.
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# 6
07-18-2012, 01:56 AM
Gene Roddenbery was as big a Capitalist as anybody else in the 60's, he would love lockboxes to death.

While it is a bit silly seeing KDF and Starfleet captains flying about in Tholian ships, remember this is a game and if people want to spend at least $100 to get a very rare ship then let them. Everyone eventually goes back to flying their typical ship, e.g. I fly my Odyssey 24/7. Remember when the Atrox got released and ESD had a hundreds of those things flying about? Now I barely see them.

Season 6 was funded by lockboxes, we got starbases from lockbox profits (amongst other things to be fair). The only VALID complaint about lockboxes now that the rewards are adequate for what you're paying for is that they take up room far too often on the loot screen.

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# 7
07-18-2012, 01:59 AM
Ye well, I understand that they must fund the game "somehow". I'm just not sure the way is to sell "exotic" ships with BEST layouts to a game that is focused around Starfleet and KDF. If the best escort in Starfleet is the bug then something IS wrong.

And the lock box spam is horrible.
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# 8
07-18-2012, 02:07 AM
Originally Posted by thomas12255 View Post
Gene Roddenbery was as big a Capitalist as anybody else in the 60's, he would love lockboxes to death.
Gene would probably hate the action focus and focus on weapons. He didn't want Starfleet to be seen as a military or for phasers to be treated like weapons. They were a utility tool and stun setting existed to further make them passive. I imagine he'd institute quotas like "one shot per mission" and all weapons on stun. Environmental damage would be the only way to die.

I think he'd love the idea of the mismatching rainbow uniforms... But dislike the leathery or military feel of some, since he hated the Wrath of Khan uniforms. (If you look, though, Gene supported as many uniform variants as budget would allow for, from male skants to the TMP uniforms where everyone has their own look.)

He'd absolutely adore lockboxes, though, and if he got a cut, he'd be pushing them further than PWE and Cryptic have pushed them. I'd wager that everybody at Cryptic and even some at PWE have varying degrees of reluctance or personal preferences for what goes in a lockbox... and Gene, well... He wouldn't have ANY hesitations or limits. You'd be seeing bridge designs, Mark XXVI gear, alien BOs... and bikinis. Lots of bikinis, with as little fabric as anyone would let him use.
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# 9
07-18-2012, 05:11 AM
If you dont like lockboxes dont open them and just ignore them!!!
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# 10
07-18-2012, 05:30 AM
First, I think people need to come to grips with the differences between a TV show or movie and a game. Games require different tropes and really need to be treated differently. I don't ever remember Kirk blowing up enemy ships and looting their weapons/engines/shields, etc. Likewise I don't remember Kirk ever Crafting new weapons/engines/shields, etc. Those are game tropes that gamers expect to see. Gamers also expect their games to be action orientated. So people need to come to grips with things like that right off the bat. Without the focus on action and adventure MMOs cannot last.

And if anyone thinks that Gene wasn't half Ferengi then they weren't alive in the 60s or early 70s. Gene marketed every Trek thing he could. Shirts, lunchboxes, posters, anything he could put Trek on and sell to make money from he did. Gene was Hollywood and about making a buck.

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