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# 21
07-18-2012, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by buddha1369 View Post
The only real limit in starship design is that it must hold together under acceleration. The Borg use acual flying bricks for goodness sake. Even if the iternals have to change the hull doesnt, mabye make it a bit larger. As someone else pointed out, the Defiant it fully modern and it is alot smaller than the NX. It would be simple as pie to add TOS Enterprise and NX to the new fleet shipyard, you just need to convince the Devs to do it.
It also was of been as simple for Starfleet to just upgrade the NX and the Constitution back centuries ago...but they moved on for various reasons, why go back and deal with those various reasons when its smarter just to move on and make better...more advanced ships?
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# 22
07-18-2012, 03:38 PM
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why go back and deal with those various reasons when its smarter just to move on and make better...more advanced ships?
Because the old ships look cooler? Or the PWE reason, because trekkies will pay to fly cannon ships. I know id pay 2000 z for a fleet NX. And by pay i mean grind dilithium

New ships have to look new or people think you are ripping them off. Still, there are those people who restore old muscle cars with modern engines, if only for modern power with that classic feel

Last edited by buddha1369; 07-18-2012 at 03:45 PM.
Ensign
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I was happy when they came out with this, but I was disappointed as well. First it was nothing like the NX on the TV series Enterprise. Due to two things, first NX-01 Enterprise had fore and aft torpedoes, and it had fore and aft laser banks. The in game NX replica only has two fore weapon slots and one aft. If it is to be a true replica it should have two fore and two aft weapon slots. Second there isn't a custom bridge for it, like the Odyssey does. Which it should. It should have custom bridge, the bridge should look like the bridge of the NX-01 Enterprise. These are the two reason why this ship is not a replica.
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# 24
04-02-2013, 03:54 PM
ZOMBIE THREAD!!!

(For what it's worth, I agree. We should be able to either buy a T5 version of the NX, or upgrade the one we have.)
Say NO to mandatory Arc!
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# 25
04-04-2013, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha1369 View Post
The only real limit in starship design is that it must hold together under acceleration. The Borg use acual flying bricks for goodness sake. Even if the iternals have to change the hull doesnt, mabye make it a bit larger. As someone else pointed out, the Defiant it fully modern and it is alot smaller than the NX. It would be simple as pie to add TOS Enterprise and NX to the new fleet shipyard, you just need to convince the Devs to do it.
I agree completely

Last edited by theseventhnight; 04-04-2013 at 06:45 AM.
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# 26
04-04-2013, 06:39 AM
[quote=starshipserenity;4750831]While I understand what you mean, this argument fails because of the starships that *have* been allowed to go on to Tier-5.

I agree however............

Last edited by theseventhnight; 04-04-2013 at 06:42 AM.
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# 27
04-04-2013, 06:45 AM
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While I understand what you mean, this argument fails because of the starships that *have* been allowed to go on to Tier-5.

My goodness, we have Tier-5 K'a'tingas and B'rels: TOS and TMP vessels, respectivley. If the Klinks can get a B'rel to run at Tier-5, and if the lovable feddies can run an Enterprise-era Tier-5 Vulcan Science Vessel, certainly a Tier-5 Miranda and Excalibur/Exeter would be very possible.
ok I have An Akira class escort, but I still like the look of the NX class. so why can't cryptic just release a version of the Akira that looks like the NX class, it would still be an Akira class ship just with an external visual look of the NX class.
As for the arguments for a straight re/retrofit for the NX class because of ships like the B'rel, well it has been commonly stated on many occasions in star trek cannon (as I've understood it), that class of ship has been in production for as long as the oldest B'rel ships have been in service, so as an analogy, if you take the Spitfire or it's American cousin the Mustang fighter planes from the second world war and built a new one from scratch using modern tech and materials, ie carbon fibre chassis, more efficient/powerful and bio-diesel engine, it would be just as effective if not more so than it's modern day equivalents because of the strength of the original design, all be it lacking in their top speed however top speed but then that's only because you'd be using a prop engine and not a jet engine.

Last edited by theseventhnight; 04-04-2013 at 06:50 AM.
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# 28
04-04-2013, 07:52 AM
I hope I'm reading that post wrong. You don't actually think a modern prop airplane, even one based on a successful 1940s design, would have any chance against a modern jet fighter, do you? Because that 'top speed' caveat is pretty important when you're dealing with planes that fire guided missiles from miles away. Heck, I'm pretty sure a commercial 737 could 'defeat' a retrofitted Spitfire simply by flying faster and higher than a prop airplane could hope to catch up with. That's hyperbole, but still - there's a reason the military hasn't seriously used prop airplanes since the 50s.

As for the NX...no. You get the grappler, the costumes and T5 ships that were built on that concept. You paying for low-tier stuff is part of Cryptic's business model. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the reason CBS doesn't allow a T5 Constitution is because of the Dilithium exchange. If they're going to license their most valuable IP, they want to ensure they're getting real money for it (like they mostly do for the lowbie versions).
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# 29
04-07-2013, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by theocracity View Post
I hope I'm reading that post wrong. You don't actually think a modern prop airplane, even one based on a successful 1940s design, would have any chance against a modern jet fighter, do you? Because that 'top speed' caveat is pretty important when you're dealing with planes that fire guided missiles from miles away. Heck, I'm pretty sure a commercial 737 could 'defeat' a retrofitted Spitfire simply by flying faster and higher than a prop airplane could hope to catch up with. That's hyperbole, but still - there's a reason the military hasn't seriously used prop airplanes since the 50s.
I think you missed the point which might be my fault.
Yes the top speed is an issue but if you put what I said into context of the discussion and take the top speed out of the equation what you have is an old design capable of competing with its modern counterparts, which is as I see, it what the Klingons have done with the B'rel class. If you take a star ship that's been in production for decades it is feasible that the methods of manufacture, materials, technology would advance and be implemented without having to change the design of the ship to the point of reclassification therefore making it a design that has not been abandoned like Starfleet have with both the NX and the Constitution class ships.

I would like to make sure every one understands that I an against a direct upgrade to a higher tier NX class but not against a new version of the Akira class that looks even more like it.

Last edited by theseventhnight; 04-07-2013 at 10:05 AM.
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# 30
04-08-2013, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by starshipserenity View Post
While I understand what you mean, this argument fails because of the starships that *have* been allowed to go on to Tier-5.

My goodness, we have Tier-5 K'a'tingas and B'rels: TOS and TMP vessels, respectivley. If the Klinks can get a B'rel to run at Tier-5, and if the lovable feddies can run an Enterprise-era Tier-5 Vulcan Science Vessel, certainly a Tier-5 Miranda and Excalibur/Exeter would be very possible.
The difference is that these were all vessels that their faction continued to refit and use actively for the entire time between the TOS and movies, and the TNG era. There are still some running around having been modified and refitted with new tech for over a hundred years. This is the reason the Miranda and Excelsior are still around, and the versions you get in this era are different than the movie era ones would have been.

And if they make new ones, they make them to match the newer refitted versions. It is a vastly different ship than it was 100 years ago.

While the NX and Connie are built with new tech, they are replicas. They have not actually been in service for a good long time. Replicas are just that, replicas. They are not designed for active service, they are used to transport VIPs or be seen at special occasions.
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