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# 11
07-22-2012, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
I must say I agree with the OP, alot.

The BOP is the quint essential Klingon ship, and it was given a royal #$% in the SB ships. Why?

I highly doubt that the new ships will be competitive in any combat PvP-based. I would even go as far to say that in PvE they will be just as useless. I would like to see a 16k hull survive a Borg crit. Sigh, the list goes on.

If I would like to see a proper fleet BOP, I would have hoped for something along these lines

4x fore weapons
3x aft weapons

32,000 hull
shield 0.9
turn rate 17

4 engineering consoles
1 sci consoles
5 tac consoles

1x CMDR Universal
1x LT CMDR Universal
1x ENG Lt.
1x SCI Lt.
1x Ensign Universal

This is just about the same as the Fleet Patrol Escort, just with a little less hull, and more offensive like the Defiant. It is a raider after all...
I would switch one tac console for a sci console and call it a *drumroll* K'Vort.
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# 12
07-22-2012, 06:15 PM
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OP Aurigas
I would switch one tac console for a sci console and call it a *drumroll* K'Vort.
I think a 3/3/4 layout might reflect the versatility of the B'rel a little better. Sadly, the whole package presented by drkfrontiers is simply too good to be true. If they had even the slightest interest in throwing BoP fans a bone it would be a dessicated thing that would go to powder on impact (like the fleet raiders already presented).

I'm not disparaging your efforts and would be ecstatic if such a ship showed up. However if the developers reviewed the "dream ship" and gimped it liberally it would likely be the only offering I would even consider shilling out fleet modules for. If they did call it a K'Vort rather than a B'rel so I could "get excited" about paying for it with 4 modules rather than 1 I'd accept it as presented. When there is enough coin involved who really cares about balance around here anyway?
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# 13
07-22-2012, 06:43 PM
I think the fleet Hegh'ta is fine with a fourth tac console slot but the Ning'toa is gimped for its 2LTC Uslots.
I do feel the standard BoPs need a small buffing in hull and shields to keep them competitive.
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# 14
07-22-2012, 08:14 PM
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I think the fleet Hegh'ta is fine with a fourth tac console slot but the Ning'toa is gimped for its 2LTC Uslots.
I do feel the standard BoPs need a small buffing in hull and shields to keep them competitive.
The big issue I have with the extra-console fleet BoP is the cost. We're doing a LOT. . .and getting one measly console.
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# 15
07-22-2012, 09:53 PM
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OP bitemepwe
I do feel the standard BoPs need a small buffing in hull and shields to keep them competitive.
Your post got my memory churning about a recent post concerning a modest hull improvement for the B'rel. I'm not sure if there was a test buff on Tribble but I commented I was happy to see any improvement because it would be better than nothing. I still consider the ship to be of greater value than either fleet alternative (minor variations are outweighed significantly by the premium price point).

Sadly this got me to thinking about the Gecko interview and his opinions on buffing and balance (unless it pertained to the fed escorts were all being buffed at the time of the interview). If the B'rel buff did go holodeck why would anyone pay $20 for either fleet variant; At best I'm on the fence about either now. I like to be optimistic if I can and really hope I'm wrong but I don't see the B'rel bump ever seeing daylight when they want people to buy the new raiders. Imagine buffing all three raiders; It would break the game and another piece of the world that is still noble and good would pass into memory
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# 16
07-23-2012, 07:03 AM
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The big issue I have with the extra-console fleet BoP is the cost. We're doing a LOT. . .and getting one measly console.
I agree, it is a lot of grind and money spent for just a single extra Tac console slot.
I imagine the unique design of the BoP is the reason why this is the case.
It must be hard to balance the BoP as it is and also give it bonuses.
Look at the Fleet Ning'Tao as an example of that attempt at giving bonuses and maintaining balance gone wrong, as a 16k hull point BoP ( less than mnay shuttle craft infact) is a high price to pay for a 2nd LTC slot and the money that is expected to be spent on it for the 4 modules.
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# 17
07-23-2012, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by horridperson View Post
Your post got my memory churning about a recent post concerning a modest hull improvement for the B'rel. I'm not sure if there was a test buff on Tribble but I commented I was happy to see any improvement because it would be better than nothing. I still consider the ship to be of greater value than either fleet alternative (minor variations are outweighed significantly by the premium price point).

Sadly this got me to thinking about the Gecko interview and his opinions on buffing and balance (unless it pertained to the fed escorts were all being buffed at the time of the interview). If the B'rel buff did go holodeck why would anyone pay $20 for either fleet variant; At best I'm on the fence about either now. I like to be optimistic if I can and really hope I'm wrong but I don't see the B'rel bump ever seeing daylight when they want people to buy the new raiders. Imagine buffing all three raiders; It would break the game and another piece of the world that is still noble and good would pass into memory
I was not thinking of the Cstore B'rel as part of the standard game gained line of BoPs since one has to acquire through purchasing, but you are right it may very well be a fantasy to think they would keep the KDF vessels abreast in balance to the feds on a simple gameplay level in luie of wanting to force people to buy the Lfeet ships to be competitive.
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