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# 51
07-25-2012, 10:58 AM
If I should ever rise to "rule the world" I can promise you that wall street WILL be closed down and a lot of people will go to jail.


But not until after I deal with some people even worse than them (people who let people DIE because they don't have insurance for a start)
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# 52
07-25-2012, 11:45 AM
Here's hoping you never rule the world...

...you do realize that not everyone shares your weird moral standards?
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# 53
07-25-2012, 11:46 AM
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If I should ever rise to "rule the world" I can promise you that wall street WILL be closed down and a lot of people will go to jail.
The emptiest vessels are always the loudest.
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# 54
07-25-2012, 11:51 AM
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If I should ever rise to "rule the world" I can promise you that wall street WILL be closed down and a lot of people will go to jail.


But not until after I deal with some people even worse than them (people who let people DIE because they don't have insurance for a start)
All I can say is thank goodness you will never "rule the world". You know, all your 'ideas' have already been tried in the real world. But such things never work out to be utopia you think it will be.

edit: in fact, there's an uncanny similarity in your words to that of many politicians I know.
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# 55
07-25-2012, 11:55 AM
Actually an empty vessel is utterly silent (thats basic physics)

but no I do not expect to rule the world any time soon

as full employment , free health care , the death penalty for some crimes and an end to religious wars would be unpopular
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# 56
07-25-2012, 12:50 PM
I can't say that I disagree that the manipulation of money to make more money without actually producing anything should be abolished, one of the reasons why everything is so expensive is due to all of the middlemen that had nothing to do with it's actual production jacking up the prices of things, but it's legal now and we can either go with the flow and exploit it where we can or sit back and be overwhelmed by it.

In the game I think it's simply a matter that for those wishing to buy items on the exchange for the lowest prices just have to be quicker on the draw than those who plan to buy to mark it up, which really comes down to luck and timing, which is simply another facet of the game.

In a perfect world there would be no need of currency and we may get there at some point (although I'm sure the Rockefellers of the world would fight the process tooth and nail), everyone would get what they need and want and nothing would be unobtainable, there have never been examples of this taking place historically, those societies that claimed that everything was shared equally usually had a greater share being claimed by the political elite.

Back on topic I don't think that changing things in the exchange or the game economy would serve anything more than to inconvenience legitimate players.
The one thing that I notice with spammers is how quickly they seem to be able to create a character log on and bug a bunch of people then log put and delete that character before anything can be done about them, clearly they are using a hacked client that allows then to automate the process. A good deterrent would be some means, server side, that complicates the process of character creation and or character deletion. A legitimate player would only be slightly inconvenienced by the process, since they are going to be playing the game not hanging in the character creation screen, spewing out random new characters. A delay between how many new characters can be created or deleted, wouldn't be that big a deal for players but it would considerably put a dent in a spammers operations. A 24 hour delay to wait for a deleted character to disappear from a user account would give administrators 24 hours to track offending characters back to the account responsible should they choose to pursue that matter.

Last edited by maxvitor; 07-25-2012 at 01:12 PM.
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# 57
07-25-2012, 01:54 PM
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I can't say that I disagree that the manipulation of money to make more money without actually producing anything should be abolished, one of the reasons why everything is so expensive is due to all of the middlemen that had nothing to do with it's actual production jacking up the prices of things, but it's legal now and we can either go with the flow and exploit it where we can or sit back and be overwhelmed by it.
I really think a lot of people in this thread (and in life in general) could benefit from Econ 101... makes me really concerned about what our schools are teaching in that regard these days.

Middlemen and 'money changers' may not produce anything themselves, but their investment into markets incentivizes production elsewhere. You cannot have legitimate trade without growth, even if middlemen are acting without actual production themselves. Their injections of capital into a market allow for a factory to buy a new piece of machinery, allow for them to hire more workers, or allow for a commodity to increase or fall to a price of fair market value.
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# 58
07-25-2012, 02:29 PM
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Actually an empty vessel is utterly silent (thats basic physics)
Not when it's being beaten with a Ferengi energy whip.

Rumor has it you know all about that.
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# 59
07-25-2012, 02:43 PM
Here is another way to look at this. If PWE sells keys at a relative value of $1.25 per key, and EC farmers can re-sell those for a relative profit of $2.00, it means that for each key sold PWE is losing $0.75 in potential profit.

It seems to me farming in this case should be perfectly fine. If PWE improperly valuates their own merchandise it's only common sense that someone else will pick up on that. If you are a car dealer selling something way under invoice, only to have someone buy it up and re-sell it for profit, that's your fault not the re-seller.

Instead, PWE should be making up the difference by raising the cost of the keys. That eliminates the EC farmer's profit margin and gives the extra profit to PWE instead.
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