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# 41
07-02-2012, 03:14 PM
what would be sweet is a mortal q super rare doff that would give you a 100% chance of a critical for any science or engineering assignment

and be limited to one per toon
Rihannsu
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# 42
07-04-2012, 07:47 AM
Well, the colonial chains are currently the only sources for several races. AFAIK there aren't ANY other Hirogen, or Breen Doffs at all.

El-Aurians have the cluster, and Rulian Mazan only.

The DS9 pack has a Romulan, but other than that I don't think there are any outside Eridan.

Hmm... LIST!

Delta Volanis: Deferi (Efficient, honorable, teamwork) only available here
Arucanis Arm: this one is odd in that not only does it give different races to each faction, KDF gets Orions, but Feds get a Rigelian for Renown, and a Tellarite for Support.
Hromi Cluster: El-Aurians (Efficient, Eidetic, TP), the only other El-Aurian is Rulian Mazan(Congenial, EIdetic, Tactful, TP)
Khazan Cluster: Hirogen (Aggressive, Efficient), only available here
Afehirr Nebula: Reman, only source of Remans for Fed, only easy source for KDF. the other KDF sources are a Unique Doff, and an ultra(I think that's what Minzon is anyways)
Eridan Belt: Romulans, there's only 2 others: the DS9 C-Store bundle comes with a Romulan Doff, and a season 5 tribble reward is a Romulan,
Rolor Nebula: Breen, the only Breen Doffs
Betreka Nebula: Jem'Hadar, also available as a one time reward for completing "Facility 4028", also availble as Rares from Gamma cadre pack, and maybe from Dominion prisoner exchange
Zenas Expanse: Vorta, See Jem'Hadar
B'Tran Cluster: Feds get Borg Caitians, KDF gets Borg Gorn. Only Borgified versions as Doffs.
T'Ong Nebula: Andorians(Fed), Klingons(KDF)
D'Kel Star Cluster: Mirror Universe Humans(without FF)
Eridon Nebula: Saurians(Fed), Nausicaans(KDF)
Azlesa Expanse: Vulcans(Fed), Letheans(KDF)

It'd be nice to see the rarer races more often.
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# 43
07-17-2012, 05:21 PM
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#28: Dolphins or a dolphin-like race
traits: congenial, teamwork
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# 44
07-29-2012, 12:45 PM
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What do you see as the primary purpose(s) behind introducing new Duty officer species?

I'm not asking to discourage the brainstorming here - it may, in fact, come in quite handy. But I'd like to get a more solid understanding as to why more species variation is being requested.

* Are there shortcomings in the current system that new species can address?
* Are there new mechanics you'd like to see pursued that new species would allow for?
* Is it just a roleplay / immersion thing?

On the subject of new traits:
We found, from the introduction of Resolve doffs, that introducing new Traits is not a design choice that has long-term sustainability. While it still may be something we introduce in the future, we have to be sure that the amount of dev time that goes into ensuring the new Trait's viability is worth the investment. Hundreds and hundreds of work hours went into introducing Resolve and giving it a purpose, while also addressing economic and systemic balance concerns that it introduced. It's not something that we've completely ruled out, but it is unlikely that we will do something that like with any form of frequency.
Simply put, More Diversity. But not just Diversity for it's own sake, I don't want half my crew to be made of "species who are enemies", though I don't mind some (Worf, Garak, Simon Tarsus, ect). But, in TOS, and TNG, Gene Roddenberry insisted that the Enterprise have a racially diverse crew (Whitfield, Stephen PE; Roddenberry, Gene (1968). The Making of Star Trek. New York: Ballantine Books) meaning that Diversity is a core value of what makes Star Trek what it is. We know of many different races which may be allied with one side or the other, sadly mainly the Federation, though Farians and Finneans (and other unnamed species) seem to be a member of the Orion Syndicate and thus would now be a KDF species and one might think the Chalnoth would join with them as well.

New species, particularly less well known species, can allow more freedom of trait combinations (as has been mentioned earlier), and can assist in the addition of new traits (a topic I will delve into later). I think another advantage to new species, particularly ones that have distinctive features is possibly the hope of having some of the new features added for playable characters (for instance the facial features of the Arin'Sen). For instance, the Ferasans were added as a DOFF race and shortly there after as a playable species.

As for new traits, to be fair, Resolve was added at the same time as Shroud, Telekinesis, and Spiritual (with Dominion Fugitive being shortly after and Photonic slightly before if I am not mistaken), that is 6 traits in a fairly short period of time. I would assume any more additions would come in batch form like that to be able to customize entire batches of missions for several new traits at one time.

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# 45
07-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Cool. But, spiritual has been around since the doff system was first introduced. :p the rest is spot on though.

you're right about how crew diversity has worked in the TV shows. "enemy" races have been around in small number for a long time.
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# 46
07-29-2012, 01:50 PM
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Cool. But, spiritual has been around since the doff system was first introduced. :p the rest is spot on though.
Hmmmm.... I could have sworn there were 3 others added with Resolve (maybe the Dominion Fugitive was added so quickly after I thought it was the fourth... )
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# 47
07-29-2012, 02:13 PM
Nah, Spiritual was a rather rare trait that wasn't used for much before the release of Resolve.

another fun fact: Bajorans were released before Cardassians! Most of them had spiritual as their only trait....
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# 48
07-29-2012, 06:56 PM
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#2: Ocampa, the char creator has the parts for them. So it'd be pretty easy to make art for them. also.... there's apparently an Ocampa at ESD.
Traits: TP(always), TK(sometimes), Eidetic Memory(always), congenial(often) and tactful(often)
faction: Federation or Romulan
Heretic had talked about this, and said that they were talking about doind somethin in relation to their short lifespans (such as the DOFF going away after 1 year, though, not sure how they would get to either the Feds or Romulans being as they were from the Delta Quadrant


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#8: Add Bynars. they could be either a Fed race or a Fed/romulan race.
traits: Logical(often), eidetic memory(always), teamwork(often), unscrupulous(often)
faction: Federation, Romulan
Would they count as 2 DOFFs?



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#18-22: More random humanoids: Denobulans(long time Federation ally),
Absolutely needed!


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#30: Grazerites, one Federation president was Grazerite, thus it makes sense to have Grazerites in starfleet
traits: teamwork, tactful, peaceful, congenial
faction: Federation
Again, Absolutely needed!



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So what other fun ideas are out there?

Arin'Sen - Klingon Subject Species
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# 49
07-29-2012, 07:09 PM
Ocampa: Romulans would get them from the Hirogen. The Hirogen Relay network comes close to the area established in canon as Romulan space. It's why they fight beside the Romulans, Sela made a threaty with them. The Hirogen acctually have the resources to get people from the Delta Quadrant to Romulan space. The Federation presumably has the abiltiy to TW to their space. Why? Well, you can do diplomatic contact missions with them.

Bynars: no. Maybe have a few have a single pic instead of a dual pic, but either way it'd only take up one doff slot.

Arin'Sen: where did this idea come from?
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# 50
07-29-2012, 08:16 PM
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Ocampa: Romulans would get them from the Hirogen. The Hirogen Relay network comes close to the area established in canon as Romulan space. It's why they fight beside the Romulans, Sela made a threaty with them. The Hirogen acctually have the resources to get people from the Delta Quadrant to Romulan space. The Federation presumably has the abiltiy to TW to their space. Why? Well, you can do diplomatic contact missions with them.
But unless I am mistaken, the Doctor was able to go over the relay network because he was a computer program, not sure biological beings would be able to (though haven't seen that episode in a while). Not only that, but the relay network was discovered Many season in after Voyager got several boosts the Ocampa most likely wouldn't have (Kes cut 10 years off their trip, 2 slipstream trips, spatial vortex in the Void, 15 years cut off by using a stolen Borg Transwarp coil, a Graviton catapult jump, push by Q). Not to burst your bubble, but I would think if they were added that would have to be explained, and they would have to be really rare.

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Arin'Sen: where did this idea come from?
Came from here as well as here.
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