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# 11
08-07-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
I fly a Sovereign built to tank, I have not failed an Elite STF optional in months. Bringing it home with time to spare. The trick is not to join a random PUG but to take four other people who know how to play and won't do stupid things.
With an escellent team yes, Sov is fine...not really the point though.

If they are not doing it they really need to come out with an End Game Sov. One on par with all other end game ships. Hell I would be happy with 1 extra tac station with 2 slots. Now it would be an assault cruiser!
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# 12
08-07-2012, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by armax View Post
With an escellent team yes, Sov is fine...not really the point though.

If they are not doing it they really need to come out with an End Game Sov. One on par with all other end game ships. Hell I would be happy with 1 extra tac station with 2 slots. Now it would be an assault cruiser!
Not an Excellent team, I wouldn't describe myself as excellent nor is my build the cutting edge of perfection. Just when everyone knows what they need to do and how to execute the plan next to no communication is needed and it goes without a hitch.

What do you mean an extra Tac Station? Are you asking for a 6th BOFF? Because I don't see any ship going over the 12 standard BOFF abilities every ship but the BoP has at T5.
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# 13
08-07-2012, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
Not an Excellent team, I wouldn't describe myself as excellent nor is my build the cutting edge of perfection. Just when everyone knows what they need to do and how to execute the plan next to no communication is needed and it goes without a hitch.

What do you mean an extra Tac Station? Are you asking for a 6th BOFF? Because I don't see any ship going over the 12 standard BOFF abilities every ship but the BoP has at T5.
They can lower our engineer skills or something. Not saying we have to go over 12 BoFF abilities. The assault cruiser just needs more assault to it. It would also no longer be a T5 ship, I want it over the T5 ship like all these other refits or new ships. I was looking for it to be an End Game ship up there with the other End game ships. I don't care if it is a fleet ship or a store bought ship (just don't put it in those damn boxes). Just want an End Game Sov ship.
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# 15
08-07-2012, 12:04 PM
i said this would come on page one of this thread and 2 others...why is nobody listening?!
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# 16
08-07-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
Very nice as long as they keep it a Sov and not something pretty much new. That includes being able to use the Sov visual mod which makes it one freaky tough looking ship. This looks like a new class all together. We'll have to see what they do with it. Nice looking ship though.
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# 17
08-07-2012, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by armax View Post
Very nice as long as they keep it a Sov and not something pretty much new. That includes being able to use the Sov visual mod which makes it one freaky tough looking ship. This looks like a new class all together. We'll have to see what they do with it. Nice looking ship though.
it may have the same stats as the T5 version or the new stats as seen in my post on page one...and it certainly is interchangeable with the t5 parts.
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# 18
08-07-2012, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by armax View Post
With an escellent team yes, Sov is fine...not really the point though.

If they are not doing it they really need to come out with an End Game Sov. One on par with all other end game ships. Hell I would be happy with 1 extra tac station with 2 slots. Now it would be an assault cruiser!
Actually if you build it right, the Sovereign can be a force to be reckoned with. I believe as far as cruisers go, it has the best balance of firepower, and tanking, and manuverability if built properly. I've succeed most of the time in STFs even with PUGs and get 1st place in fleet actions majority of the time. Any ship can be made to succeed if play up its strengths and play down its weaknesses.

But I have to agree, it would be nice if it gets even a slight tactical boost, either through boff layout or special console/ability.

Now that we know the refit is coming very soon, I really hope Cryptic does it right and give us Sovereign flyers the ship we've hoped for. Perhaps a boff layout like this:

Com ENG
LtCom ENG
LtCom TAC
Lt Sci

This layout gives us the tactical boost without compromising its tanking power.
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# 19
08-09-2012, 07:34 AM
I'd rather have the boff layout of the fleet version.

LTC Tac
LT Tac
CMD Eng
LT Universal

This just screams to me that it can dish out better punishment and in return can still tank with the big boys. Just slot that LT universal as sci for your HE1 and TS2, and you're golden.

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# 20
08-10-2012, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by daiouvegeta2 View Post
I'd rather have the boff layout of the fleet version.

LTC Tac
LT Tac
CMD Eng
LT Universal

This just screams to me that it can dish out better punishment and in return can still tank with the big boys. Just slot that LT universal as sci for your HE1 and TS2, and you're golden.
As I said in previous posts, its tanking ability has been severely nerfed as it went from Com ENG and LtCom ENG to Com ENG and ENS ENG. Yes, you have a Lt Universal to use as a ENG slot but then you will have no SCI abilities to clear debuffs or helping in tanking. If you compare it with other tier 5 cruisers, it is actually has the weakest tanking potential.

Yes...it has lots of TAC but what is the point of all the extra TAC if can't tank the damage as before. The problem with the layout is that despite the extra TAC abilities, a cruiser is nothing if it cannot tank. The main reason for this is the poor turn rate and speed of cruisers in general. This means lower defense and as a result an easy target. At least escorts can avoid enemy fire better with its high defense due to its higher speed and maneuverability.

The boff layout above will only work if they increased the speed and turn rate of the sovereign. Otherwise you are going to be a sitting duck wiht a big sign saying "Hit me".

Another thing is even with the extra tactical abilities, it will never produce the DPS of an escort as it cannot equip dual or dual heavy cannons. Sure on paper the extra TAC layout looks awesome but in practice I don't think it'll last long in a mass battle (fleet action). With the extra TAC, you will certainly do more damage drawing more aggro, leading to more enemies attacking you. But you will not have the tanking abilities to survive the increased aggro.

As a compromise, I ok with this layout:

Com ENG
Lt ENG
LtCom TAC
ENS TAC
Lt Universal.

This layout is not as drastic as the layout above.
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