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# 31
08-07-2012, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
heh...now I know why there were only four of us-me and three low-rankers the other night in a Fleet action that has a minimum of 5...

BTW, we had a grand time, but losing that fifth ship before the fight even started didn't help matters.

the point of PUGging isn't fleet marks, or Dilithium or Drops, it's PLAYING the GAME...at one point, YOU were a Lt. or a Cdr., or a Capt., at one point, some elitist douche probably whined about YOU being underfoot.

You don't like the random nature of PUGs with no control over what "quality" (and I use the term LOOSELY) your team is? Fine, if you can find five people who will hang with you, you should run as a team, or stick to Private instances, or rank-limited events-where you can be among your Peers (if they'll have you.)

The real test of skill isn't having everything under ideal circumstances, it's adapting to difficulties and still triumphing. if you can't handle a Starbase Incursion, Starbase Defense, Blockade, or other Fleet-mark event without being surrounded by only L50 or better armed out with bleeding edge STF gear, you're not the top dog you THINK you are.

I'll take a Lt. Jr Grade in a Miranda over a guy like you on my team any day, under any circumstances-because said LTJG is a hell of a lot more likely to at least TRY to contribute, instead of whining and stomping off.
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# 32
08-07-2012, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by velktra View Post
STFs are different. Fleet events are open to all members of fleets level 2 and up. STFs are only available to level 45 and up (normal, don't remember when elite unlocks).

Level isn't all that counts, however. I ran a normal Infected Space earlier today with four VA's that kept shooting at the transformer before the generators were down and at the gate before we took down the other transformer.
Buddy, I've seen VA's who had less dps than my one of my advanced slaver squadrons granted, leveling isn't everything, but its so easy to hit l50 that it really irks me that people who haven't leveled yet are wasting other peoples time in end game content.
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# 33
08-07-2012, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
Buddy, I've seen VA's who had less dps than my one of my advanced slaver squadrons granted, leveling isn't everything, but its so easy to hit l50 that it really irks me that people who haven't leveled yet are wasting other peoples time in end game content.
I must have missed the post where Cryptic/PWE declared Fleet Events end game content. Seeing that they are open to all levels would, to me, indicate that they are not end game. Can someone provide a link?

Edit: For the record, I have also seen some VA's with less DPS than a Peregrine Fighter Squadron.
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# 34
08-07-2012, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
Buddy, I've seen VA's who had less dps than my one of my advanced slaver squadrons granted, leveling isn't everything, but its so easy to hit l50 that it really irks me that people who haven't leveled yet are wasting other peoples time in end game content.
Fleet stuff isn't end game. It's for everyone. Well, except for no win. That's level 50 only.

I don't mind seeing rear admirals in the normal STFs either, so long as they're actually contributing.
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# 35
08-07-2012, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
no, no no..... it wouldn't count time spend waiting to respawn, but would start counting when the respawn timer ran down.
Then this wouldn't work. I was in a Fleet mission the other day. We had 5 people start it, with in seconds one guy charged forward and got shot down, he was a VA. He never bothered to respawn until the countdown timer on the game was at 0:05. He respawned and got his marks that me and the four other players worked for. Then warped out. He went onto me and my 2 other Fleet members ignore after a couple of mintues of being "AFK".

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# 36
08-08-2012, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny111971 View Post
I must have missed the post where Cryptic/PWE declared Fleet Events end game content. Seeing that they are open to all levels would, to me, indicate that they are not end game. Can someone provide a link?

Edit: For the record, I have also seen some VA's with less DPS than a Peregrine Fighter Squadron.
What I'm interested in is why a lt. Cmdr. Is in a fleet event instead of leveling. As for the VA thing, I once was able to take probes on one side oof KASE while taking out one of thhe transformers and the spawn that came with it before the other 4 VA's could deal with their side.
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# 37
08-08-2012, 01:24 AM
Something to consider, is that Fleet events are also training grounds-a low-end player can learn a lot (or fail to learn a lot) that MIGHT help their team when he or she DOES get to a level where they can run STF's, just from having the experience of playing with others on a mission. For instance, seeing exactly how a bad build (say, a rainbow cruiser) isn't much use, or learning more about how and WHEN to use their DOFF powers. There is a lot that experienced players can use to teach newer guys that want to move up to playing STF's.

And I'm not just talking low-levels, there are plenty of people out there who promoted WAYYY too fast, got to VA, and didn't (and still don't) understand how to use their BOFFs, DOFFs, why matching weapons and consoles is important, or how to play well with others (as in: passing out heals to teammates instead of just using them on yourself!!)

It can't possibly cost that much to take a moment before and after and talk to the new guys about how they can do better next time, or to message that low-rank new guy and invite him in to run with you-the losses are trivial in Fleet events, unlike Elite STFs where damage actually accrues and takes resources to fix, and it can only strengthen your fleet if the FNG's not only think their fleet cares about their progress, but that maybe the experienced guys actually know what they're going through, and are willing to help them out.

It builds things like Esprit D'Corps, Fleet Loyalty, it boosts the output over-all of fleet members, with the benefit of pumping the fleet treasury, builds up cameraderie, and it works as better advertising than spamming "Join My Fleet" on the chat box/mailboxes.

Some of the mid-and-up tier Starbase projects require massive infusions of...stuff. Easier to get if your fleet is growing, as opposed to shrinking or staying the same, and you'll get more active play and support from guys who had good experiences at low levels than you will from strangers who joined to unlock the third outfit slot.
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# 38
08-08-2012, 02:32 AM
The question should be why is the VA in the event

there are a couple of VA's out there (no names as per rules)
who LEECH
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# 39
08-08-2012, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
What I'm interested in is why a lt. Cmdr. Is in a fleet event instead of leveling.
Because they want to get Fleet Marks to contribute to a project so they can get fleet credits? The event is open to everyone level 2 and up, and leveling gets boring after a while.
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# 40
08-08-2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
What I'm interested in is why a lt. Cmdr. Is in a fleet event instead of leveling. As for the VA thing, I once was able to take probes on one side oof KASE while taking out one of thhe transformers and the spawn that came with it before the other 4 VA's could deal with their side.
Well, these LT Commanders MAY wish to contribute to the construction of their fleet base... and one of the most sought out commodities are fleet marks. SO, they play the fleet events.

Fleet Events are open to everyone... if you do not want to be teamed with lower ranked players, then create private matches... its as simple as that... no development, no programming, no more time needed to implement anything.

You have the power/tools available at your disposal today to never have to deal with another fleet event with lower ranked players.

It even makes canon sense that lower ranked players are there... imagine the scenario... a Starbase falls under attack, they send out a General Distress Call... wouldn't any starship in the vicinity rush to assist? As long as they had weapons?

From a purely military standpoint (Starfleet, and KDF being Military organizations)...people who leave the battle field are considered deserters, which is a crime... and should carry a stiff penalty.

Personally, I don't mind the mix of players (some of the funnest fleet events I've been in were with some lower tiered ships)... I do, however, mind those who leave, and those who do not even attempt to contribute.
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