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# 21
08-15-2012, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sovereignman View Post
Some people play for free.

Some people pay for stuff.

Some people pay to win.

Some people pay to feel special.
Some people just want the "I Win" button

And some people will complain, no matter what.

That's human nature
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# 22
08-15-2012, 02:34 PM
First , I find that the OP comes off as extremely ego centric, shows he feels entitled to certain things, and can barely (even with nice words) hide his disdain for the F2P players.

His idea(s) are terrible and comes from a very flawed assumption , being that everyone "despises" the current c store. there is obviously no thought given to long term profitability, or a retention of the Silver players who while not paying a subscription cost , often still contribute to the game buying c points for the exact purchase they want, instead of spending money every month.

I think just from the replies to this thread it is obvious that the words "dial back the voice of the community BS a bit" couldn't be more accurate.

Very glad i am not part of the "insightful" Leet group for whom you claim to speak. Sounds like a bunch of jerks.
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# 23
08-15-2012, 02:58 PM
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First , I find that the OP comes off as extremely ego centric, shows he feels entitled to certain things, and can barely (even with nice words) hide his disdain for the F2P players.

His idea(s) are terrible and comes from a very flawed assumption , being that everyone "despises" the current c store. there is obviously no thought given to long term profitability, or a retention of the Silver players who while not paying a subscription cost , often still contribute to the game buying c points for the exact purchase they want, instead of spending money every month.

I think just from the replies to this thread it is obvious that the words "dial back the voice of the community BS a bit" couldn't be more accurate.

Very glad i am not part of the "insightful" Leet group for whom you claim to speak. Sounds like a bunch of jerks.
Ooh, cold as ice hippiejon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvrv6re6ZiU&feature=plcp
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# 24
08-15-2012, 04:35 PM
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Ooh, cold as ice hippiejon.
Just call me Victor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNaDZIrxh-0
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# 25
08-15-2012, 04:49 PM
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Totally Thot Trel.
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# 26
08-15-2012, 07:12 PM
I am just coming to the logical conclusion to make a course correction to fix the PWE/ F2p side track, it is merely a suggestion, but usually my confidence in my statements are usually proven right. I hate to be the I told you so guy....but i called the F2P transition, and authored the crew system that later turned into the DOFF system.

Please do not mistake confidence for ego, I assure you it is not, I just want a better tomorrow for STO, and would like to feel my investment is not in vain......I do not dislike F2p players, I would like to encourage them to subscribe and share the in investment into STO. F2P just need to invest a little more so that those who pay to play the game do not have to shoulder the majority of the burden, on top of paying to play the game.

Thank you.
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# 27
08-16-2012, 01:25 AM
No, no. That's ego through and through. Most people forsaw the F2P transition, it was hardly a surprise to anyone with the slightest bit of observational skills. A crew system had likewise been suggested by many people, and given that Cryptic delivered it, I doubt you authored it. Yes, you may or may not have suggested things that are quite similar to what's currently there. But again, you were far from the one who independently inspired and started the idea as you seem to think. Then to claim that you "speak for the more insightful group"? Yeah, no. Anyone would think that Cryptic would never be able to survive without your incredible 'logic' and 'insight' from the way you go on.

Now to your suggestions, the 1st one I can only really quote obsidiusrex on 'reasonable' being subjective.

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2. Subscribers receive account unlocks on all purchases and unlocks in game or in the c-store.
Agreed, except I would say everyone, not just subscribers. Most things already are, but the Boffs should go back to being as such like the Borg one was. Items should remain character unlocks, various services are a bit more iffy. Gold players get much of them as part of being gold already. I personally think the services part is largely in a good spot.

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3. F2p players pay for per character unlocks (excetpion, current account wide service unlocks, ship purchases).
No. For all your vaunted 'insight' you fail to realise how many people this would alienate and annoy. Yes, you want to increase subscribers. No, the stick method is not a good way. Carrots are better.

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4. The stipend is a joke at this point, gold members in addion to there stipend recieve a 40% (if prices remain high and unreasonable) discount, F2p players still pay full price.
Perhaps. A discount would be a good carrot for lifetimers, but 40% is about as likely to fly as pigs, especially with the stipend. A bit of patience and dilithium farming, and unlocking everything without paying an extra cent beyond that would be much faster.

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5. In game rewards do not cost zen.....period
I'm trying to remember the last time I got an in game reward for Zen. For that matter, is it an in game reward if you paid Zen, or are you just unlocking something? Even getting a lockbox doesn't cost Zen. Opening it does (if you don't use the exchange), but that's still buying a key, not buying an in game reward. But yes, they shouldn't. I guess you'll later claim that not having in game rewards costing Zen is your idea and Cryptic would have made you have to pay Zen to get that free ship for ranking up to Lt Commander?

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6. Lock box items are in the c-store for purchase at a reasonable price.
Agreed, but only after a period of time.

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7. Lobi crystals items are sold in game and the c-store at a reasonable price.
As above

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8. Lobi crystals, all fleet credits and dilithuim are attainable by playing main story missions.
Only if the drop rate for Lobis are low. Let the lockboxers keep their stuff pretty well exclusively for about a year. Fleet credits, no. They're for contributing to the starbase and should remain that way. It's really not that hard to get a pile of fleet credits anyway. Fleet Marks on the other hand, yes, but they long since said they want to have them as rewards for more things. Dilithium, sure why not. You can still only refine 8000 a day anyway, and it'll at least add more variety to any grind.

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9. All tier 5 starships will have 5 universal commander slots, 5 weapon slots fore and aft, 5 device and 15 universal console slots. This will be implemented among the Lower tiers also tier 4 will have a universal commander and 3 universal Lt commanders, the appropriate amount of universal console and device slots and so on and so forth all the way down to tier 1.
Hahaha, no. Not only is that ridiculous, but it's also plain and boring. Ships having different strengths and weaknesses is something that should be encouraged, not stamped out. Science ships should be science ships, not escorts or cruisers because their captain decided to change some bridge officers around and such in the middle of mission. Ships would simply become cosmetic, being all the same underneath their skins.

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10 nothing paid for with real money is unique (excluding consoles 1 per character).....if I buy it I should be able to equip as many weapons as I want....I paid for it.
You paid for one, you got one. How many weapons do you get from the C-store stuff anyway? And how many of them are particularly useful? Besides, they're more flavoursome if you can only have one. And if they're really worth having that much, then even more reason to limit their numbers that a character can have. I really don't want the Pay to Win Entertainment thing to become completely deadpan serious. The P2W in STO is bad enough as it is.

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11. All consoles will work on all ships slots no matter the ship type. I.E. science and assualt cruiser, escort ,and crusier consoles can be equipped on any ship, if we pay for it we should get our monies worth.
See 9. Maybe you like eating grey, tasteless porridge day after day, but I'll take some bacon and eggs thanks.

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12. Transparancy and enginnering reports bring it back, listen to your customer base and do not put things out there that everyone is jumping up and down telling you we do not want.
I wonder if they have a list of everything you say, so that they know what not to do

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13. Make all currently bound to character equipment, account bound, then sell for 100 dilthium unbind token in game.
More things should be account bound, but not everything currently character bound should be. Unbind token? Maybe, but I personally think it's not as great as an idea as you seem to think it is.

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14. Put out a quality product and do it right the first time......for a reasonable price (that means much lower ththan the current ridiculous price point currently in place.)
Once again, I'd basically just end up quoting obsidiusrex.

Overall, I can only see you as being someone who wants everything easy. You want the 'I WIN!' button. You want to be able to get the best equipment without any effort and think that because you're a gold player, you should get that. I'm almost surprised that you didn't ask for invincibility cheats too, because the 'insightful group' that you supposedly speak for think it's the best thing for the game.

You seem to completely forget that silver players still buy from the store. For all you know, the silver players could account for the majority of Cryptic's income, they would almost certainly account for a sizable portion. Your ideas wouldn't increase the gold players by much, but would certainly decimate the paying silver player population. If not just simply decimate the player population in general, as many players would leave if the game became so purely pay to win as you'd like it to be. There would be less reason to hang around between seasons, if at all.

The game is hardly perfect, but your ideas would only make it worse. I for one would stop playing and paying if it ever became like your dream version of the game.
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# 28
08-16-2012, 06:48 AM
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I hate to be the I told you so guy....but i called the F2P transition, and authored the crew system that later turned into the DOFF system.
I'm really privileged to speak to you.

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F2P just need to invest a little more so that those who pay to play the game do not have to shoulder the majority of the burden, on top of paying to play the game.
Oh man... Nobody asks you for such sacrifice.

I agree with everything rustychat wrote.
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