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# 21
08-14-2012, 10:22 AM
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Get used to it... the 2nd JJ movie is coming.

I'm not sure the Prime universe will ever truly exist again outside of books and games like this one.
STO is the Prime Universe?! Na... not buying it.
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# 22
08-14-2012, 01:20 PM
Heh.... Maybe an alternate future of the prime universe?
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# 23
08-14-2012, 02:34 PM
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Heh.... Maybe an alternate future of the prime universe?
Which one? -_-
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# 24
08-14-2012, 04:17 PM
The last thing to feature the Prime Universe was ENT, the last event was Nemesis, it looks like the only way the Prime Universe will continue is in fanfics.
At least that way everyone can get what they want instead of complaining and arguing.
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# 25
08-14-2012, 04:24 PM
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The last thing to feature the Prime Universe was ENT, the last event was Nemesis, it looks like the only way the Prime Universe will continue is in fanfics.
At least that way everyone can get what they want instead of complaining and arguing.
Maybe someday someone while make a fanfic so good it's made into a series? It could happen.
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# 26
08-14-2012, 05:13 PM
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Maybe someday someone while make a fanfic so good it's made into a series? It could happen.
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# 27
08-15-2012, 05:26 AM
The JJ movies would have to be in a different universe. The Kelvin is different to any Starfleet vessel that should have been there, Kirk is born in space instead of in Iowa and Starfleet itself is apparently so undermanned that they give their brand new flagship (now the Enterprise) to a cadets barely even out of the academy, if at all and all of that is before any temporal effects should have started showing up. So it wouldn't be in Temporal Investigation's juristiction, hence no intervention. Other universe's TI likely consider it an established event, one that helps defines their future.

No intervention at First Contact, because like it was already said, the Enterprise was already known to have repaired that. But who knows, maybe the wake wouldn't have protected the Enterprise without a little helping hand in the shield frequency or deflector array. No intervention with Daniels, because even a time agency would still be open to the right kinds of attacks, but not all of them would result in the complete destruction of the entirety of the agency. Otherwise conflicting time agencies would be stuck glaring at each other, countering each others counters to result in the status quo, or until the event becomes timelocked

It's likely that any Temporal Agency in the galaxy, or perhaps even beyond would be keeping very close tabs on the Borg. They're probably the last ones you'd want to do it, and the first in line to give it a shot. Hell, maybe even the Q continum figure it'd be bad to allow the Borg to screw with time beyond events that will already have happened. Perhaps simply all major timeline affecting timetravels are countered by one agency or another, or are 'naturally' corrected like in First Contact.

As for why the Borg only send a single cube, I always figured that it must have something to do with the lack of infrastructure. Only a basic connection could be maintained with the main Borg hive, hence the requirement for a Queen to be sent with the cube. Can't send more than one ship, because that would require more established resources in order to maintain the control and direction of all the drones properly. Of course, then you get the question of 'why not just send a Queen with each cube?' to which I can only answer dunno. Possibly a concern about having too many Queens to too few drones.

But that would also explain the Borg's general rate of expansion. If they could simply assimilate and move on, then they should be able to expand far, far faster than they were shown to. Having to stop after each expansion phase to build unimatrix connections to keep the entire collective as a unified collective would slow them down considerably and explain why some species can stay on the border of borg space for long periods of time without quickly being crushed by the borg. It would also help explain the movements of the first Borg cube when scooping up the colonies beyond just intelligence gathering. Moving to an area where it can transmit the data learned from the colonies back to the main hive without interference. If it could maintain a complete, proper link, then presumably the cube could have simply continued on its course without much care.

As for Voyager and the transwarp gate network with an opening right to Earth's doorstep. That's best brushed off as poor storylines. The idea was fine, except it should have required the recieving gate. At most it should have let Voyager reach the border of the Beta/Delta quadrant. Mind you, most of the Voyager borg related stories were pretty poor, well most of them were anyway. The episodes passing through borg space should have more silent running episode with a few strikes of opportunity before getting that boost to skip the inner regions. Rather than blowing up cubes left, right and center for fun.

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# 28
08-16-2012, 09:04 AM
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As for why the Borg only send a single cube, I always figured that it must have something to do with the lack of infrastructure. Only a basic connection could be maintained with the main Borg hive, hence the requirement for a Queen to be sent with the cube. Can't send more than one ship, because that would require more established resources in order to maintain the control and direction of all the drones properly. Of course, then you get the question of 'why not just send a Queen with each cube?' to which I can only answer dunno. Possibly a concern about having too many Queens to too few drones.

But that would also explain the Borg's general rate of expansion. If they could simply assimilate and move on, then they should be able to expand far, far faster than they were shown to. Having to stop after each expansion phase to build unimatrix connections to keep the entire collective as a unified collective would slow them down considerably and explain why some species can stay on the border of borg space for long periods of time without quickly being crushed by the borg. It would also help explain the movements of the first Borg cube when scooping up the colonies beyond just intelligence gathering. Moving to an area where it can transmit the data learned from the colonies back to the main hive without interference. If it could maintain a complete, proper link, then presumably the cube could have simply continued on its course without much care.
It's been pretty well established that subspace transmissions travel much faster for the first few dozen light-years of their journey, then start to slow down (the distance traveled before the slowdown becomes significant depending on the initial signal strength). This is why Starfleet was unable to communicate with Voyager until they used this huge communications array to bounce the signal off of a pulsar--aside from the loss of signal strength, it would have taken the signal too long to get there. Also note that in the Enterprise episode with the Borg, they said it would take "two hundred years" for the subspace signal to reach Borg space.

The usual work-around for this problem is to put relay stations everywhere that act like cell phone towers to re-boost the transmissions. Note how the NX-01 Enterprise placed several of these relays during its travels. However, with no relays in place, one has to resort to heroic measures to get the signal to travel faster, like diverting your ship's entire power output to boost the signal, or bouncing it off of a pulsar.

The Borg don't have a lot of relays stationed in or near the territory of the Federation and its neighbors, so they can not maintain the near-zero-signal-lag necessary for keeping their drones fully integrated into the greater Collective mind. Thus, any fleet sent out this way needs to carry its own network infrastructure (a Queen and support gear).
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# 29
08-16-2012, 06:20 PM
The reactivated drones in Enterprise had to use the equipment available to them to send the message to the collective, since they didn't have the time, resources and possibly even knowledge to build anything better. The Borg likely don't use the same system for communication as Starfleet and most Alpha/Beta quadrant races, at least when it comes to distance. Their interplexing beacons for example presumably allows for much faster communication, but how much data can be sent at a time is unknown. Given that they call it a beacon rather than a transmitter, I'd say it would be very limited, but cubes probably carry something more sophisticated than a makeshift beacon as well. They might use standard subspace communications in Borg territory, and interplexing beacons/transmitters for long distance burst transmissions. Either way, it's an infrastructure issue for them.
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