Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 21
08-08-2012, 06:57 PM
This is sad, Im still going to use this and the Ktinga regularly, but all my teammates will hate me. -.-
Commander
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 471
# 22
08-18-2012, 09:28 AM
So finally got my Escort Retrofit, with the intention of then getting the Fleet version for only 1 module (got loads of credits).

The game is still trying to charge me 4 ship modules for it! Tell me this is wrong.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 346
# 23
08-18-2012, 12:23 PM
Give them a finger, they'll ask for an arm.


The Saber-F, Nova-F and so on aren't meant to be competitive.
They're meant to be for the "we want low Tier Ships with the BOFFs of T5 even if all the other values remain low!" crowd
Now that you have it, you want them to outperform T5 Ships?


Also, why the hate against the Hermes? Why do you want it to be the only Escort-F not to have 5 Tac Consoles?
It's weird that those Ships require high tier Shipyard, true, but does that really matter in the end?
Commander
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# 24
08-18-2012, 02:50 PM
Who's asking for them to outperform?

I'd settle for them being equal.
Lt. Commander
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Posts: 146
# 25
08-21-2012, 04:05 PM
Maybe they were thinking that fleet ships that don't cost fleet modules should not outperform Zen store T5 ships.

Only time you should see better from the fleet ships is if you upgrade with fleet modules.

I don't like that line of thought since the fleet ships bought with fleet marks aren't really 'free'!

A possible explanatin ... maybe?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 26
08-21-2012, 06:33 PM
I've poked Gecko on Twitter for a month trying to get this answered... comm silence.

It definitely has the illusion that the Fleet ships were chosen hap-hazardly and stats were given out very inconsistently.

I understand the idea of giving a version of a lower tier ship as an "endgame" ship, but that's what the NON-Fleet ships are there for (the 200,000 fleet credit versions.)
The FLEET versions should be solid ships that BUILD as your Tiers get higher... not downgrades and leave us all scratching our collective heads. They don't have to out-perform the previous tier outright, but they should be at least something to think about.
The Escort Retrofit is the black sheep of the Fleet escort family in this regard. The destroyer is a close second, but that one COULD turn out to be a great ship (although I think if it had a cloak or SOMETHING besides the UNI slots and unique skin to make it more attractive, no one would complain!)

Just look at the Escort Fleet releases and their stats- it's confusing as all get out (the shield & hull buffs are not considered for this comparison):
  • Fleet Patrol Escort - Tier 1 - solid improvement (uni BOFF, 4th eng console slot)
  • Fleet Escort Retrofit - Tier 2 - severely lacking (no reason to pick it over Patrol save for costume kit)
  • Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit - Tier3 - moderate improvement (5th tac console slot, but still has Tact Ensign)
  • Fleet Advanced Escort - Tier 4 - moderate improvement (5th tac console slot, but still has Tact Ensign)
  • Fleet Destroyer - Tier 4 - lacking (new design, and uni slots, but stats similar to a BoP without the cloak)
  • Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier - Tier 5 - minor improvement (extra sci console slot)
Career Officer
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# 27
08-21-2012, 11:47 PM
What's going on is just a continuation of their stated policy on ship power. No more, no less.

Its been stated on interviews that Zen ships (Cpoint at the time) would always be more powerful than their free counterparts (the T4 ships). Now, I think its pretty safe to place lockbox ships on top of that pyramid, so Lockbox ships will always outperform Z-store ships, which will always outperform non Zen ships. Their move to buff all lockbox ships to "fleet" status was one made in order to keep lockboxes attractive and just a step above fleet ships.

In a similar way any ship that has a Zen component as part of its cost will always be better than a ship that doesn't, in this case the fleet saber does not require zen, so it will be markedly less powerful than the Fleet Patrol Escort that requires someone, somewhere, spend 2000 Zen.

So the levels of power (and cash outlay) remain in the same order, with the most expensive ships staying on top and the cheapest at the bottom.

Edit: Just did some more checking, seems there's also a Fleet escort retrofit (the extra fleety version of the saber) that DOES require the 4 ship modules and is markedly worse than the Fleet Patrol.... tehy should be equal.... go figure? Who understand what Cryptic does anymore these days anyway?

Last edited by skyranger1414; 08-22-2012 at 01:10 AM.
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# 28
08-22-2012, 01:44 AM
just an fyi, the listed shield mod on these fleet ships is not accurate. my fleet ktinga has a 1.07 shield mod. the tool tip on the item reflects the crappy mod, but the listed hit points per shield facing shows a greater number. those sabers and novas just got more viable!

the the saber should have been a nice simple escort with a LTC station, without all that fighter bay crap.
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# 29
08-22-2012, 02:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
just an fyi, the listed shield mod on these fleet ships is not accurate. my fleet ktinga has a 1.07 shield mod. the tool tip on the item reflects the crappy mod, but the listed hit points per shield facing shows a greater number. those sabers and novas just got more viable!
HMM, honest question:
What about fleet ships with an even higher modifier?
Because if the Fleet Parol Escort for example ends up with even more shields compared to the Fleet Saber the relative value remains the same.
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# 30
08-22-2012, 02:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
HMM, honest question:
What about fleet ships with an even higher modifier?
Because if the Fleet Parol Escort for example ends up with even more shields compared to the Fleet Saber the relative value remains the same.
vorcha refit- http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...000FEFEEA7E10/

mirror vorcha- http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...C05E1EBA0FA1C/

fleet ktinga- http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...61918D5560B56/

fleet vorcha- http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...07EF7164F3E09/

conclusions-

the mirror and refit vorcha have the exact same stats, and a shield mod of 1.0. though the F ktinga has a lower shield listing then the vorcha R on the shield tool tip, the actual shield hitpoints are higher. based on the shield tool tip i figure the F ktinga has a shield mod of .94579 and F vorcha has a shield mod of 1.1

but, judging by the hit points per shield facing the F ktinga has a shield mod of 1.07 and F vorcha has a shield mod of 1.09999

looks like tier 5 ships turned fleet ships are accurate, judging by my admittedly small survey sample.
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