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# 11
08-22-2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmoony View Post
to point 1 no way if a friend says he goes to toilet for 2 min and he is a insane dps player and leave about your funny timer the mission that destroys for me and the complet team the mission so no way.

to your other point sounds good but 50 or 100k?

the npx what you have to kill in a stfs are ~boss 1,5 mio structures ~4mio npc ~3-5 mio hp so ea player have to deal a serioius amout of this total HP from the ~8mio so 1-1,5 mio dmg done or no reward.
If you don't have 30 minutes to devote to an STF you shouldn't do it. I don't care if he is your friend, if he sits at the spawn point while everyone else if fighting, he should be kicked.

The damage minimum should be reasonable. Not everyone flies an escort.
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# 12
08-22-2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kamiyama317 View Post
Also a kick timer for not pressing any buttons or keys within 60 seconds
That doesn't normally work well. To easy to use a keyboard macro or just a heavy object to bypass the timer.

The trick is setting up the system to tell if you are actually doing something or not, I had a thought about it...

Keep track of damage done, healing done, or any other power that has to be used on a target, like buffs and the like.

If you don't do damage/heal/something in say 90 seconds you're kicked. That way someone can't just tape down the space bar, because that won't register as doing something.
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# 13
08-22-2012, 01:31 PM
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That doesn't normally work well. To easy to use a keyboard macro or just a heavy object to bypass the timer.

The trick is setting up the system to tell if you are actually doing something or not, I had a thought about it...

Keep track of damage done, healing done, or any other power that has to be used on a target, like buffs and the like.

If you don't do damage/heal/something in say 90 seconds you're kicked. That way someone can't just tape down the space bar, because that won't register as doing something.
I agree. I was thinking a combination of timers would work best. Some kind of an AFK timer and some kind of a "progress" timer that keeps track of abilities used or damage done would work best I think.
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# 14
08-22-2012, 01:33 PM
any type of timer is pointless on any way thats why dmg done is the only way
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08-22-2012, 01:36 PM
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# 16
08-22-2012, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kamiyama317 View Post
If you don't have 30 minutes to devote to an STF you shouldn't do it. I don't care if he is your friend, if he sits at the spawn point while everyone else if fighting, he should be kicked..
30min?

the point on a timer lets say i go in medium dps my friend insane dps+3 pugs leecher/no dps.

he go to toilet for 2 min the timer says he get kicked afther 1 min, then i am in a stf what will be with him a 100% sucess now a total fail coz the player is not more there who deals alone 2x more dmg then the 3 pugs afkler or whatever so i pay the price + he for?

understand the point?
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# 17
08-22-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmoony View Post
any type of timer is pointless
No.

A simple keystroke timer is pointless. Because it can be faked very easily, all you have to do is put something heavy on your spacebar and you beat the timer.

Having the system keep track of you doing damage or healing is not pointless, because it can't be beaten easily. You can't just hold down the space bar and keep doing damage if you never move. Same goes for healing. So this would mean people would have to be actively engaging in the mission or else they'd get booted.
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# 18
08-22-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmoony View Post
30min?

the point on a timer lets say i go in medium dps my friend insane dps+3 pugs leecher/no dps.

he go to toilet for 2 min the timer says he get kicked afther 1 min, then i am in a stf what will be with him a 100% sucess now a total fail coz the player is not more there who deals alone 2x more dmg then the 3 pugs afkler or whatever so i pay the price + he for?

understand the point?
Well, no I don't understand just about half of what you are trying to say.

I've never been in an STF that couldn't at least complete it with 4 people. Your friend just isn't as awesome as you think he is. You should at least be able to finish it with the rest of your group. It's not fair to everyone else when someone sits at spawn while they do all the work, no matter what the reason is.

So yes, we most definitely need an AFK timer.

So before you join a queue, make sure you can be there for the duration of the mission.
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# 19
08-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lostmoony View Post
he go to toilet for 2 min
He should of done that before starting the STF. Unless the STF is a hour + long, there's really no reason for anyone to take a 2 minute break during it.
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# 20
08-22-2012, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cptvanor View Post
No.

A simple keystroke timer is pointless. Because it can be faked very easily, all you have to do is put something heavy on your spacebar and you beat the timer.

Having the system keep track of you doing damage or healing is not pointless, because it can't be beaten easily. You can't just hold down the space bar and keep doing damage if you never move. Same goes for healing. So this would mean people would have to be actively engaging in the mission or else they'd get booted.
We need both. There are bozos who join STF queues and then actually don't do anything. Then there are griefers who join an STF with the express purpose of not contributing anything just to spite the other players.
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