Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8
# 21
08-25-2012, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by emt27 View Post
These surveys are not new, been on sites like facebook for years. I tried one myself many years back, didn't get anything so never did it again.

remember the motto "If it sounds to good to be true than it probably is"
No - I do not think "provide your contact info and answer these 20 questions for 200 Zen" (about a $2.00 value) is "too good to be true." It sounds reasonable - Provided that said zen is paid at 20 questions - and the "host" does not ask you 19 questions and "disqualify" you on THAT question. THAT is a "screw-job." A Reneg on the deal, if you will.

Again - Happening on one or two...MMMm'k.

Six in a row is a scam to phish me - I do not appreciate it and I will not reward it with my monetary business (As I have been- because up until now, it seemed to run fairly).
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,567
# 22
08-25-2012, 04:15 PM
I read a really neat book about the future of free pricepoint items.

There's a lot of legit stuff out there that's free, including airline tickets. And it's not all a marketing gimmick; the smart stuff is the reversal of a business model.

For example, imagine a video game developer that went to CBS and said, "We want to make a Star Trek game." And CBS said, "How much do you want to pay us for it?" And the developer said, "Actually, we think YOU should pay US." And then had a presentation showing why that was a good idea.

Reversing business models for free stuff is the smart kind of free, whether it's getting a third party to pony up for ads so that you can give something away to consumers or charging your supplier and giving money to your customers. In a sense, that's what PWE's role in these programs is.

But Peanut Labs is not the best partner for that in its present state. They've improved, believe it or not, in the last two years. But I think it's a matter of time before a quality outfit outperforms them at what they do. And I think a quality outfit wouldn't get itself tied in with all these bookclubs and clearing houses and 3rd party scam sites and free trial offers.

A real quality outfit would be able to offer PWE Zen sponsored offers that don't have hidden purchases or involve junk mail. Granted, that might require more targeting on PWE's part too.

I've done VERY basic research into STO's demo before. It's very affluent by MMO standards.

Take a look at trade magazines. Those are offered free. They generally aren't dinky at all. No gaudy pop-up ads. And they're offered free because they hit a valuable demo of some kind. You know, restaurant owners, wine bottlers, fashion designers, people that are taste makers. At a certain point, you can transcend the need for currency based on status, whether high status or peculiar status.

There are also ways you can monetize a userbase. I learned recently how a lot of illicit and pirate sites work and a lot of it comes down to hidden labor, turning the users into a farm for deciphering captchas and keygens.

I think we'll eventually see an MMO in that vein. Not just FREE to play but potentially where at least some of the players get paid to play. There are rumblings that direction with major league gaming and such.

But I expect at least a couple of big efforts at "less than free to play" in the coming years.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11
# 23
08-25-2012, 06:48 PM
They aren't giving you free Zen. They are making an exchange for your valuable information (if it wasn't valuable, why would they want it).

If they take your info, then give you nothing in exchange, they're the ones getting something for free.

I've done a lot of these ads/surveys-for-game-currency systems, and this one is definitely on the "skeezy" end of the spectrum, unfortunately.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5,567
# 24
08-25-2012, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dimitranokai View Post
They aren't giving you free Zen. They are making an exchange for your valuable information (if it wasn't valuable, why would they want it).

If they take your info, then give you nothing in exchange, they're the ones getting something for free.

I've done a lot of these ads/surveys-for-game-currency systems, and this one is definitely on the "skeezy" end of the spectrum, unfortunately.
Yup.

I think it's a missed opportunity, like I say, because I've dug a bit on the demo for STO and it's the kind marketers and advertisers crave.

It's just not what Peanut Labs specializes in. The best deal on there is the Netflix trial.

There are good advertisers and market research firms that would pay ten, a hundred, or even a thousand times what PWE is getting from Peanut Labs for feedback and ads directed at STO users. And they'd make good on every offer and wouldn't subject users to endless spam.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,659
# 25
08-25-2012, 08:45 PM
Yep. Another datapoint about my earlier experiment with the free offers; the two email addresses I set up for it got a total of 13 spams BEFORE I FINISHED FILLING OUT SURVEYS.

Still got my free Zen, though; bought Dilithium with it.

And yes, anti-spam blocked them all.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,178
# 26
08-25-2012, 10:26 PM
out of the 20 or so i have taken every one has ended in "congratulation you have received 0 zen"

i guess they do not want self employed 24 year old white guys info lol
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 189
# 27
08-25-2012, 10:53 PM
I tried 10 of these "surveys" and 10 times didn't meet their demographic.

Always nice to hear "your opinion doesn't matter to us".

Thanks a lot peanut gallery!

I'm done with this scam.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 9
# 28
08-26-2012, 04:06 AM
If it seems too good to be true, it probably is
Lieutenant
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 52
# 29
08-26-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fluffytargcream View Post
*looks around warily*
*whispers*
the key is that you "are" a Single African descended Female, with at least 2 children...
*hides back in the shadows*
same thing happend to me, what you need to do is is send in a ticket explaning what happend then go ahead to select what servey to do then before you start the survey copy the address link in the address bar and send that in as part of the ticket also for proof.
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