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# 61
08-26-2012, 01:52 AM
The KDF ship line is a joke...

Theres like 3 okay ships but there is no discount and it is per character so nothing like a good money grab before they toss the game to the curb. The important thing for fed only players to remember as they have stopped development of the KDF... The federation and the game as a whole is next
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# 62
08-26-2012, 04:25 AM
Well actually there is a real battlecruiser, and it's called the fleet Vor'cha.

Maybe a few more ships are needed but currently every single interesting possibility exists for the KDF side. There are huge slow tanks, more escorts than the feds have, something similar to the Jemmie bug (the Qin raptor), some BoPs, two carriers and a science vessel (one and the feds have one only too, so it's a problem related to the priorities the management choose).

Of course, some new designs would be cool but they are no "missing" ships in the shipyard. Let's admit it, we just want new skins, not new ships.

What about a Ferasan one?

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# 63
08-26-2012, 05:03 AM
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Well actually there is a real battlecruiser, and it's called the fleet Vor'cha.

Maybe a few more ships are needed but currently every single interesting possibility exists for the KDF side. There are huge slow tanks, more escorts than the feds have, something similar to the Jemmie bug (the Qin raptor), some BoPs, two carriers and a science vessel (one and the feds have one only too, so it's a problem related to the priorities the management choose).

Of course, some new designs would be cool but they are no "missing" ships in the shipyard. Let's admit it, we just want new skins, not new ships.

What about a Ferasan one?
You're joking if you consider the Bird of Prey class to be 'escorts'. Federation escorts out-tank and out-DPS the Hegh'ta and the B'rel, only the Fleet Hoh'sus can come close to competing. There's a reason BoPs have to fight in pairs or in groups.
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# 64
08-26-2012, 07:44 AM
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You're joking if you consider the Bird of Prey class to be 'escorts'. Federation escorts out-tank and out-DPS the Hegh'ta and the B'rel, only the Fleet Hoh'sus can come close to competing. There's a reason BoPs have to fight in pairs or in groups.
No one said both factions had to be identical. Battle cloak is a huge advantage over most fed ships. That's why I'm opposed to more and different KDF ships. New skins, ok, but a tactical carrier? Then the feds will ask for BoPs, and they will be legitimate.

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# 65
08-26-2012, 01:38 PM
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No one said both factions had to be identical. Battle cloak is a huge advantage over most fed ships. That's why I'm opposed to more and different KDF ships. New skins, ok, but a tactical carrier? Then the feds will ask for BoPs, and they will be legitimate.
There's a difference between making them identical, as opposed to competitive. As far as I can tell right now, it's very difficult for a BoP to defeat a Fed escort, assuming both players are of equal skill. Granted, 1v1 isn't the natural state of PVP. . .but when it takes 2 skilled BoPs to take down a skilled fed escort player, something's gone wrong. And don't say 'use the Raptor', because skilled escort players can make mincemeat out of the Raptor due to the flawed turning mechanics.

The only way a lone BoP pilot can take an enemy out 'quickly' is either using ambush tactics (which can backfire more than you might realize) or if the Fed player is incompetent and doesn't have Tac Team or RSP ready to go up for just those kinds of situations. Meanwhile, a Fed escort can rip through my Hegh'ta shields like they're paper unless I've got RSP up, and can tank my shots even when he doesn't have RSP or Tac Team up.

This is something of a pet peeve of mine. . .I give it a fair amount of thought. I don't mind a challenge, but the situation is bordering on ridiculous. It's why I'm getting a Fleet Hoh'sus eventually, because the Hegh'ta probably wont be able to compete once all those Fed fleet escorts start circulating.
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# 66
08-26-2012, 02:29 PM
I'm running a Hegh'ta as well, and it's kind of occurred to me that trying to go head-to-head with a FedScort of equal tier is a tough run...but I think it's doable (at least, based on running Kerrat a bit-I usually end up drawing ALL the Feddies on me when going after one FedScort, gives my pug-buddies a break and some opportunities...)

But you can't match them one-for-one in firepower, shielding, or hull. and really, who wants identical ships? (Okay, maybe I'm just a weirdo...)

I DO think we need some better/additional options-but GENUINELY better. Maybe a BoP with the mechanical stats close to a Hegh'ta, but an additional BOFF position (either another Commander spot, or a new Ensign position on the roster), or an additional Item slot-different, but a capability that nothing 'comparable' can really match on the other side.

The Federation, based on the Shows, has always leaned heavily on bigger ships with better (or at least, more refined) technologies, while the Klingons have generally been portrayed as better at FIGHTING, usually with designs of lesser quality, or designs that aren't "as efficient" (read: Optimized), and generally lighter designs as well.

IOW, to really offset the variety advantage and general buffiness of the Feds, the suggestion I'd make, is to show the Klingons as having a better hand at using what they have-i.e. more BOFF positions at the top tiers than Federation units get, to make better use of the personnel and equipment they already have.

Nice part being, you don't have to alter the visuals much, saving on graphic programming, but you gain a distinct difference in flavour without debalancing the factions, AND it's a draw for the powergamers that are necessary for a F2P financial/economic model.
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# 67
08-26-2012, 07:10 PM
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I'm running a Hegh'ta as well, and it's kind of occurred to me that trying to go head-to-head with a FedScort of equal tier is a tough run...but I think it's doable (at least, based on running Kerrat a bit-I usually end up drawing ALL the Feddies on me when going after one FedScort, gives my pug-buddies a break and some opportunities...)

But you can't match them one-for-one in firepower, shielding, or hull. and really, who wants identical ships? (Okay, maybe I'm just a weirdo...)

I DO think we need some better/additional options-but GENUINELY better. Maybe a BoP with the mechanical stats close to a Hegh'ta, but an additional BOFF position (either another Commander spot, or a new Ensign position on the roster), or an additional Item slot-different, but a capability that nothing 'comparable' can really match on the other side.

The Federation, based on the Shows, has always leaned heavily on bigger ships with better (or at least, more refined) technologies, while the Klingons have generally been portrayed as better at FIGHTING, usually with designs of lesser quality, or designs that aren't "as efficient" (read: Optimized), and generally lighter designs as well.

IOW, to really offset the variety advantage and general buffiness of the Feds, the suggestion I'd make, is to show the Klingons as having a better hand at using what they have-i.e. more BOFF positions at the top tiers than Federation units get, to make better use of the personnel and equipment they already have.

Nice part being, you don't have to alter the visuals much, saving on graphic programming, but you gain a distinct difference in flavour without debalancing the factions, AND it's a draw for the powergamers that are necessary for a F2P financial/economic model.
Nah, the Feddies would 'nicely' whine and complain about the 'unfair advantage', and it would never be done. . .not without said ship sacrificing something. I'm impressed that we even got the Fleet Hoh'sus, which is a noticeable improvement over the Hegh'ta. . .but I don't think they'd let us have a Boff # advantage, not without treating the ship like they did the Ning'tao, by stripping it of hull and shields.
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