Lieutenant
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# 21
08-25-2012, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
When I have 15 mins during my lunch break, I cantt afford to waot for the channel to produce a team, so I pug and...
Get pissed off by the complete lack of common sense and the inability the rest of my team has to see the blatantly obvious.
...well... if you dont take the time to get in a good team, you get what you deserve imho

I only PUG if I have a good 30min to kill, at least. If I want to run something quickly, I always hit the channels first. And my 15min to find a team estimate was me just waiting... could probably put one together faster if II lead putting one together...
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# 22
08-25-2012, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sardocian View Post
...well... if you dont take the time to get in a good team, you get what you deserve imho

I only PUG if I have a good 30min to kill, at least. If I want to run something quickly, I always hit the channels first. And my 15min to find a team estimate was me just waiting... could probably put one together faster if II lead putting one together...
Elite stf (either one) does not garuntee a good team, and may contain elotists, trolls, or griefers. See my previous post on the best solution to pug problems yet proposed.
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# 23
08-26-2012, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
Elite stf (either one) does not garuntee a good team, and may contain elotists, trolls, or griefers. See my previous post on the best solution to pug problems yet proposed.
It doesnt guarentee a good team, but I've personally have had better results with groups from there (never failed a mission, and 20% optional success rate, vs a public queue PUG, fail a noticeable amount, and optional maybe 5% of the time). But maybe I just play at a better time of day, when all the bad kiddies are in school or something.

Not being able to join a PUG with someone on your ignore list will help a little, but one of two things may also happen. First, personally, I dont see the same idiots very often anyway. On rare occasion I might see the same people in a public queue PUG, but usually it's people I've never seen before. Contrary to what you hear, there are actually many people playing this game. It will take a long while to build up a decent ignore list to block most of the idiots. Plus with new people joining all the time, you'll likely always be ignoring people... and Second, eventually, you'll hit the point where it will take forever to find a team in a public queue. There might be 9 people waiting in the queue, but if you have 5 on ignore, they get grouped together, and you dont get to do anything. So yes, you may not join a fail group, but you really dont end up joining anything. Or worst case, combining both points, you eventually get to join a group, but it's with people youve never played with before, so you never had a chance to ignore, and they are all horrible, so not only did you waste your time waiting for a group of people you havent ignored, but you did it for no gain.

At least that's my take. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I just dont see it helping all too much, except for maybe getting rid of the bad players you consistantly see (which even though I run at 3-6 STFs a day, I dont see many of the same idiots over and over again, but again, that may just be because of the times I play at...)
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# 24
08-26-2012, 07:32 AM
I personally find a lot better people in CSE PUGs lately, a month ago I was getting annoyed with PUGs I even posted a suggestion on the forums, about how STFs should have a minimum global comms that need to be earned before starting Elites.

However lately every PUG in CSE I have been in, we have always managed to get the optional or just missed it by a second or two.

We did get an guy in ISE last night, he asked in chat if everyone knew what they were doing and none of us had said anything in chat straight away, as we were laughing at something someone in our fleet TS had said. The guy up right and left the STF. He got an hour cooldown penalty and we completed it with optional and 20 secs to spare. I should mention, the other four in the the STF were in the same fleet. We didn't have a fifth, thats why we PUGed.

TBH I use to care about optional objectives, but rarely do now. Don't get me wrong I will still go for them, but won't bother me if we fail to get it. As the loot are usually pretty worthless and it is rare you get anything good in them, besides everyone needs like mad in PUGs, it's worst than World of needcraft...

Ok maybe not as bad as WoW, but you know what I mean.
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# 25
08-26-2012, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sardocian View Post
It doesnt guarentee a good team, but I've personally have had better results with groups from there (never failed a mission, and 20% optional success rate, vs a public queue PUG, fail a noticeable amount, and optional maybe 5% of the time). But maybe I just play at a better time of day, when all the bad kiddies are in school or something.

Not being able to join a PUG with someone on your ignore list will help a little, but one of two things may also happen. First, personally, I dont see the same idiots very often anyway. On rare occasion I might see the same people in a public queue PUG, but usually it's people I've never seen before. Contrary to what you hear, there are actually many people playing this game. It will take a long while to build up a decent ignore list to block most of the idiots. Plus with new people joining all the time, you'll likely always be ignoring people... and Second, eventually, you'll hit the point where it will take forever to find a team in a public queue. There might be 9 people waiting in the queue, but if you have 5 on ignore, they get grouped together, and you dont get to do anything. So yes, you may not join a fail group, but you really dont end up joining anything. Or worst case, combining both points, you eventually get to join a group, but it's with people youve never played with before, so you never had a chance to ignore, and they are all horrible, so not only did you waste your time waiting for a group of people you havent ignored, but you did it for no gain.

At least that's my take. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but I just dont see it helping all too much, except for maybe getting rid of the bad players you consistantly see (which even though I run at 3-6 STFs a day, I dont see many of the same idiots over and over again, but again, that may just be because of the times I play at...)
point taken. however, this thread is not about why not to pug, its how can we improve pugs?
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# 26
08-26-2012, 01:01 PM
Now, I'm more convinced than ever that I'm not ready to tackle the Elite STF's yet.
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# 27
08-26-2012, 01:07 PM
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Now, I'm more convinced than ever that I'm not ready to tackle the Elite STF's yet.
G'Wan! Do 'em! Ya know ya want to! They're fun! And whenever some FanBoy gets his knickers in a complete twist, to the point where they cut off the blood flow to his brain, well! Now we're STOing with style, aren't we?

Kidding aside, the only way to improve your performance in them is to play them. No matter how badly you do the first few times, you will get better. If you let the FanBoys decide what you can and cannot do in the game, you'll never leave ESD or Qo'nos.
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# 28
08-26-2012, 05:03 PM
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G'Wan! Do 'em! Ya know ya want to!
That's the spirit!

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They're fun!
They can be...
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And whenever some FanBoy gets his knickers in a complete twist, to the point where they cut off the blood flow to his brain, well! Now we're STOing with style, aren't we?
No that's trolling and that's just not cool. Not cool at all.

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Kidding aside, the only way to improve your performance in them is to play them. No matter how badly you do the first few times, you will get better. If you let the FanBoys decide what you can and cannot do in the game, you'll never leave ESD or Qo'nos.
QFT.
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# 29
08-26-2012, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by thunderfoot006 View Post
Kidding aside, the only way to improve your performance in them is to play them. No matter how badly you do the first few times, you will get better. If you let the FanBoys decide what you can and cannot do in the game, you'll never leave ESD or Qo'nos.
Wrong! Dead wrong! Beyond ridiculously wrong!

The only way to improve properly is read a guide, prepare your gear (Most stuff isn't that expensive, no need to blow the bank) and for the love of Picard STAY BEHIND THE GROUP.

In space, stick with the majority, the Elite players WILL catch on and WILL adjust accordingly by sending someone else to handle more technical stuff. On the ground, stay in the back of the group and don't forget a remodulator.

Do this, and you'll start getting people to explain the 10% rule, or the 6KM radius, or even the assimilation triggers.

Don't do this by running ahead, nuking the transformers, forgetting the probes, or not packing a remodulator, and you'll end up like every other noob out there.
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# 30
08-26-2012, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by thunderfoot006 View Post
G'Wan! Do 'em! Ya know ya want to! They're fun! And whenever some FanBoy gets his knickers in a complete twist, to the point where they cut off the blood flow to his brain, well! Now we're STOing with style, aren't we?

Kidding aside, the only way to improve your performance in them is to play them. No matter how badly you do the first few times, you will get better. If you let the FanBoys decide what you can and cannot do in the game, you'll never leave ESD or Qo'nos.
or you could just download STOICS...
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