Last edited by cmdrskyfaller; 08-27-2012 at 07:40 AM.
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08-26-2012, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller
Hangar Bays: 4 (Ship is still limited to 4 deployed wings however. 1 per hangar)
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The description for all of the bays generally states something like: "Each hangar supports 2 deployed wings at any given time"
That means the item itself, say [Hangar - To'duj Fighters], supports 2 wings of 3 , not the slot on the ship.
So giving a carrier 4 bays, but not changing the equippable pets means that it would be 2 wings per bay... or 8 wings or 24 fighters (or any combination of things).
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08-27-2012, 01:42 AM
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08-27-2012, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by amayakitsune
I just want to point out that this would require changing the way the hangar pets work... The number of bays the ship has isnt the limiting factor to how much it can deploy..
The description for all of the bays generally states something like: "Each hangar supports 2 deployed wings at any given time" That means the item itself, say [Hangar - To'duj Fighters], supports 2 wings of 3 , not the slot on the ship. So giving a carrier 4 bays, but not changing the equippable pets means that it would be 2 wings per bay... or 8 wings or 24 fighters (or any combination of things). |
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Originally Posted by lianthelia
I like new stuff for the KDF but I don't know if many people would really care for it, not being able to launch any more fighters and for how much you lose you don't really gain much in return.
Between losing 2 weapons and a tac console slot, SA isn't really going to make up the damage, make it hard to do anything solo. |
1- You have better launch capability and flexibility. Literally, you can launch all 4 wings at once rather than have to wait for the timers to launch 2 at a time.
2- You can mix the pet loadout in hangars. 4 bops = 4 bops launched at once. Or you can launch 2 bops and 2 todujs.. or 4 todujs.. or a mix of combat and support/drain pets.
This versatility is really,really big in damage output and survivability/support capability of the carrier. As a dedicated carrier this would be a defining characteristic.
(one that I believe the fed Atrox should have too but thats another story).
3- Yes, you lose 2 guns and 1 tac slot. News for you: If you want guns there's the Dreadnought variant. The loss of the 2 guns and tac slot are replaced with the sci console and sensor analysis. Pet damage and science based damage are greatly enhanced by SA.
Finally you have much stronger shields albeit a slightly weaker hull...and the boff slots make the VoD'leh a very potent science carrier capable of using a lot of science based offensive and support abilities or dedicate them to tanking. Look at the Atrox as a good example, the science slots are the same and it does wonders.
Named after a carrier launched before it was ready, without a working air wing and a crew of novices. Sunk on its maiden voyage. Ring a bell Cryptic?
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08-27-2012, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller
See that's something I do not believe. Pre-F2P the main carriers (2-hangar) did launch a lot more wings per hangar than they do now (if memory serves me right one could have 4 wings per hangar out) while the flight deck cruisers were limited to 2 deployed wings so there is a means of limiting how many wings deployed total per ship rather than per hangar as a universal. The amount launched by the main carriers was reduced because of lag / FPS issues FYI.
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Flight deck cruiser only have 1 bay in which to slot a hangar. So if pre F2P the Vo'Quv was able to launch 4 wings, 2 from each bay, then because a flight deck cruiser half of the available bays it makes sense that it could only launch two wings and not 4... but thats going from 2 bays to 1 bay. Going up from 2 bays to 4 bays will allow an increase in the number of pets that a carrier can launch, because the slots dont limit anything but the actual number of hangar items that can be slotted. The hangar pets themselves are the thing that limits it, and thats why the all say something about how many wings are supported at any given time.
It doesnt matter why it was reduced in the first place... but they made changes to the actual pet items to do it, and not the carriers themselves.
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08-27-2012, 01:20 PM
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08-28-2012, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cmdrskyfaller
See that's something I do not believe. Pre-F2P the main carriers (2-hangar) did launch a lot more wings per hangar than they do now (if memory serves me right one could have 4 wings per hangar out) while the flight deck cruisers were limited to 2 deployed wings so there is a means of limiting how many wings deployed total per ship rather than per hangar as a universal. The amount launched by the main carriers was reduced because of lag / FPS issues FYI.
You are not taking into consideration how the ship works as a whole. You may be seeing only the loss of weapon slots without considering what the ship gains in return. 1- You have better launch capability and flexibility. Literally, you can launch all 4 wings at once rather than have to wait for the timers to launch 2 at a time. 2- You can mix the pet loadout in hangars. 4 bops = 4 bops launched at once. Or you can launch 2 bops and 2 todujs.. or 4 todujs.. or a mix of combat and support/drain pets. This versatility is really,really big in damage output and survivability/support capability of the carrier. As a dedicated carrier this would be a defining characteristic. (one that I believe the fed Atrox should have too but thats another story). 3- Yes, you lose 2 guns and 1 tac slot. News for you: If you want guns there's the Dreadnought variant. The loss of the 2 guns and tac slot are replaced with the sci console and sensor analysis. Pet damage and science based damage are greatly enhanced by SA. Finally you have much stronger shields albeit a slightly weaker hull...and the boff slots make the VoD'leh a very potent science carrier capable of using a lot of science based offensive and support abilities or dedicate them to tanking. Look at the Atrox as a good example, the science slots are the same and it does wonders. |
But its more than the guns...with a turn rate of three you might as well start your turn and go to the restroom because by the time you get back odds are you wouldn't have made the full turn yet.
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08-28-2012, 02:24 AM
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08-29-2012, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia
Yes there is the Dreadnought variant...my point is honestly I don't know how many people would want this? I mean everything you lose just to launch all four wings at once. Just doesn't seem like it would be worth it.
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'everything you lose' .. again you're just focusing on the loss of the weapon slots.
Math it out and consider what the ship is gaining in return.
Each ToDuj fighter torpedo does 5k damage. There are 3 fighters per wing. 4 wings =12 fighters.
12 x 5k = 60k damage.
In less than 5 seconds, by launching all 4 wings, you get 60k damage from their torpedoes alone.
You think the dreadnaught's 2 extra beam arrays and 1 extra tac slot (compared to VoD'leh carrier variant) can do that in 10 seconds? The Dreadnought variant does 30k dmg with torps from launching 2 wings and its own weapon damage.
In sustained damage..aka leaving the pets under attack command and ignoring them while you focus on your own ship's gun damage... the Dreadnaught does get an advantage. In spike damage & support abilities the VoD'leh carrier has a significant advantage.
Two flavors of the same ship. Two different roles.
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The turn rate however can be changed to match the VoQuv and rather have the ship's inertia change so that the VoD'leh CAN turn but it drifts a LOT during the turn (which would be awesome imo). That way the VoQuv variant can have more effective vector change than the carrier but both retain the same ability to point the nose around.
Named after a carrier launched before it was ready, without a working air wing and a crew of novices. Sunk on its maiden voyage. Ring a bell Cryptic?
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08-29-2012, 02:45 PM
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