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# 11
08-27-2012, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by emoejoe View Post
dont touch my jam placate u fker
lol sry mini. The debuff to acc is enough without the placate. That's my thought. KDF ships need a looking at too, so it goes both ways.

I'm just saying in a duel bug vs bug, the khg vs maco, the placate saved my ass at least once. On the Omega it wasn't a huge diff but it was a lot harder to keep shield facings so, with that said, the placate just seemed like overkill in mine and kedrics match.
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# 12
08-27-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xtremenoob1 View Post
lol sry mini. The debuff to acc is enough without the placate. That's my thought. KDF ships need a looking at too, so it goes both ways.

I'm just saying in a duel bug vs bug, the khg vs maco, the placate saved my ass at least once. On the Omega it wasn't a huge diff but it was a lot harder to keep shield facings so, with that said, the placate just seemed like overkill in mine and kedrics match.
Keep in mind MACO has the bonus of basically +10 all power levels while being shot, +10% omni shield resists, 1/2 the bleedthrough, and higher regen than either of the other 2 STF shields. It's HP isn't bad although not KHG size buffer I believe they are higher than Omega. While it's bonuses aren't as obvious as KHG, they're still very good.

What I don't know about the proc b/c haven't tested it enough is if the 10 sec immunity prevents multiple shooters from being proc'd w/in the same 10 sec window. Assuming it does I think it's fine. If multiple shooters can be proc'd w/in the same window perhaps change that. Also, I believe (haven't tested just anedotal based on play experience) skills effect the length of proc. I don't know which ones though as I just observe some placates seem to last a micro second while others a couple of seconds.
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# 13
08-27-2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xtremenoob1 View Post
lol sry mini. The debuff to acc is enough without the placate. That's my thought. KDF ships need a looking at too, so it goes both ways.

I'm just saying in a duel bug vs bug, the khg vs maco, the placate saved my ass at least once. On the Omega it wasn't a huge diff but it was a lot harder to keep shield facings so, with that said, the placate just seemed like overkill in mine and kedrics match.
bug ship vs bug ship klingonshave a nedge! omfg stop the presses must nerf every viable klingon ability and equipment to balance this most cruical matchup! actually why dont we delete all players who have bug ships. much better solution.
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# 14
08-27-2012, 09:02 PM
KHG is great for BOPs, however on my cruiser I would trade it in a second for a Maco. You can say the placate and acc defuf are really strong vs the omega shield and I agree the omega shield is the weakest of the set shields save for on escorts maybe.

However you have to have something to counter how stupidly hard to kill a ship using maco shields is. Energy + and damage resists on an already rather strong shield make it a cruiser wonder item I bet its rather nice on sci ships as well.

Its my opinion that the Omega shield needs to proc a little easier and maybe give more turnrate then it would seem like a viable tradeoff for the survivability of the other two. Though regen shields are kinda useless now that shield regen got clubbed in the head.
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# 15
08-27-2012, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hroothvitnir View Post
KHG is great for BOPs, however on my cruiser I would trade it in a second for a Maco. You can say the placate and acc defuf are really strong vs the omega shield and I agree the omega shield is the weakest of the set shields save for on escorts maybe.

However you have to have something to counter how stupidly hard to kill a ship using maco shields is. Energy + and damage resists on an already rather strong shield make it a cruiser wonder item I bet its rather nice on sci ships as well.

Its my opinion that the Omega shield needs to proc a little easier and maybe give more turnrate then it would seem like a viable tradeoff for the survivability of the other two. Though regen shields are kinda useless now that shield regen got clubbed in the head.
the maco shield is basically fool proof, its the best option on everything. the KHG shield is good for hit and run, but only good on ships that stick around in a battle long term if you can run higher then EPtS1, and have an extreamly high shield power at all times. its a bit of a liability otherwise. since i put EPtS3 on my klink cruiser its been a night and day improvement on shield reliability, even though i eliminated TSS from the build.
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# 16
08-28-2012, 07:16 AM
I may give that a try on my Negh'Var. I have been running a close match to my Excelsior's setup but it just hasn't been as durable. Likely due to the damage resists of the maco not being there on the KHG shiled. I run my shields pretty close to gone in combat on my excelsior so I can devote my consoles and higher eng skills to getting my cannons on target. The ships may not be as copy paste compatible as I had first hoped.

I wont give up on it though its a real blast to drop out of cloak and flatten something. I just wish that the klingon blue emergency power cooldown Doffs were cheaper. My piles of cash are fedside and stored away for purple consoles.
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# 17
08-28-2012, 12:13 PM
MACO would lose what to keep balance?

Frankly the KHG is fine, though the Omega may need a looks at to see if its still competitive.

KDF ships do not need a "looking at" iether. They also are fine, if alittle under powered in comparison.
But hey, I would rather be a little under powered in PvP then fall prey to the " gimp the KDF" sentiment that seems to be the popular thing lately.
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