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Rihannsu
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While I was reading various threads, I was remembering a few different discussions on what Pay to Win is concerened in STO.. And that is the Zen Store. Anything that you can buy from the Zen Store is considered Paying to Win.

And that made me wonder.. What if there was a tournament or League based set up where the only ships allowed were:

Raiders:
Hegh'ta Bird of Prey

Escorts:
Blockade Escort
Advanced Escort
Qin Heavy Raptor

Science:
Recon Science Vessel
Deep Space Science Vessel

Cruiser:
Star Cruiser
Assault Cruiser

Battle Cruiser:
Negh'Var
Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit

Carriers:
Vor'quv Carrier

Other ships that could be added could be:

Raiders:
Hoh'sus Bird of Prey (200,000 Fleet Marks)

Escorts:
Escort Retrofit (200,000 Fleet marks)
Scourge Destroyer Retrofit (200,000 Fleet marks)
Somraw Raptor Retorfit (200,000 Fleet marks)
Aquarius Destroyer (200,000 Fleet marks)

Science:
Research Science Vessel Retrofit (200,000 Fleet marks)
Science Vessel Retrofit (200,000 Fleet marks)

Cruiser:
Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (200,000 Fleet marks)
Odyssey Star Cruiser (200,000 Fleet marks)

Flight Deck Cruiser:
Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser (200,000 Fleet marks)

Battle Cruiser:
K'tinga Battle Cruiser Retrofit (200,000 Fleet Marks)
Bortas Heavy Cruiser (200,000 Fleet marks)

Carrier:
None

After the ship limit the obvious limit is also that of anything that came from, or comes from either the Zen store Directly, or from Currency that the Zen Store objects provide. (Lobi Crystals for example) With Doffs being the exception since you can aquire Doffs from the game it's self with out relying on the Zen Store at all.

The Idea behind this would be to see if any of us truelly are as good as we think we are when we take away the toys we have started to get attached to and start to use things that we can't just hand Perfect world Entertainment a load of cash, or trade in Dilithium for those paid for points and get our "pay to win" in order to improve our capabilities in game.

Of course it would all be for fun. And This is just an Idea, not one that I personally could run or host due to Real life obsticles and what not. But I figured I'd throw this Idea out there to see how many of us even like the Idea and if anyone in the PVP community would be up to the task of hosting something like this, weither it's a one time Tournament with some fancy prize at the end, or a Longer duration League where the best team or teams at the end get some prize, or at least reconnition for being the best.

A 1v1 Tournament or League with the above ship limitations is also plausable as well.

So.. What do you all think?
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# 2
08-31-2012, 02:30 AM
just a thought: How about P2W doffs? Doffs that are/were available only through the Z-store...

Slippery road... more than half the game is in the z-store now.
Rihannsu
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# 3
08-31-2012, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dassemsto View Post
just a thought: How about P2W doffs? Doffs that are/were available only through the Z-store...

Slippery road... more than half the game is in the z-store now.
The only Doffs that are avaliable Via Z-store I believe is the DS9 Doffs.

Also, most Doff abilities, if not all, can be aquired Via Doff Missions in game with out touching the Z-Store. Doing the Once every 3 Day Doff Aquirement Missions on the Academys has given some interesting Doffs. I even got an SNB doff on KDF side's Academy one day. The only Doff abilities how ever that I am not 100% Sure on are the newest Reinforcement Doff packs.

Also, considering that Not every Doff ability triggers on the ability bar (But most do) it would be difficult to police.

Consoles, and Special gear from the Z-store how ever, either by Lockboxes, or alternate ship purchases are much eaiser to catch. (Except for 1 of course, being the new Quantum Torpedo)
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# 4
08-31-2012, 02:46 AM
TSI had a funday setup with similar rules. It sounded like a lot of fun but was cancelled for some reason.

With that said, it's a great idea. I was looking forward to that event and even had a couple guys from -X- that were going to be available.

This would be awesome to try and get setup. Just a all around PVP fun day with the retro ships would be scores of fun.

However, the organization of the event shouldn't be left to one but a couple. The post being "sticky" would be nice as well. Maybe an event with multiple times during the day to include people from all TZs. A PVP fun day, old school. EPIC it would be!

If the event can be organized, -X- would be happy to open our TS to the teams if they don't have voice.

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Originally Posted by dassemsto View Post
just a thought: How about P2W doffs? Doffs that are/were available only through the Z-store...

Slippery road... more than half the game is in the z-store now.
I think removing the SNB/Attack pattern doff - maybe some others would fix that. Personally I'd like to see no BFIs. They make tank too much.

I guess simple solution, if you can grind it from the cadres or from a nebula, it's probably okay?

or even more simple, remove all doffs? Retro ships, no doffs, no p2w consoles, no C-store ships --- would really be interesting.
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# 5
08-31-2012, 02:54 AM
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I think removing the SNB/Attack pattern doff - maybe some others would fix that. Personally I'd like to see no BFIs. They make tank too much.

I guess simple solution, if you can grind it from the cadres or from a nebula, it's probably okay?

Retro ships, no doffs, no p2w consoles, no C-store ships --- would really be interesting.
Removing the Retro ships is possible, since I listed all the Original Ships for The original End tier of the game. How ever I don't recommend saying no REtrofits since there are retrofits, like I listed in the "Other" list, that you can get from Fleet marks alone and don't require Fleet Modules.

As far as Doffs, It would come down to either an Allow or Don't allow Doffs.

And it would be eaiser to allow them, then to not allow them, because, again as I said before, it would be harder to police them all since not all of them have an Icon show up to prove it was used.
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# 6
08-31-2012, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by webdeath View Post
Removing the Retro ships is possible, since I listed all the Original Ships for The original End tier of the game. How ever I don't recommend saying no REtrofits since there are retrofits, like I listed in the "Other" list, that you can get from Fleet marks alone and don't require Fleet Modules.

As far as Doffs, It would come down to either an Allow or Don't allow Doffs.

And it would be eaiser to allow them, then to not allow them, because, again as I said before, it would be harder to police them all since not all of them have an Icon show up to prove it was used.

It's sad that a organized event would require policing... But that's why free ...

Anyway it was just an idea. No doffs, no p2w consoles. The old school refit ships should probably be allowed. But that's up to those that organize. However, the less cheese the better. Players are a bit spoiled with the current game. It was a lot more fun 2 years ago!
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# 7
08-31-2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by xtremenoob1 View Post
It's sad that a organized event would require policing... But that's why free ...

Anyway it was just an idea. No doffs, no p2w consoles. The old school refit ships should probably be allowed. But that's up to those that organize. However, the less cheese the better. Players are a bit spoiled with the current game. It was a lot more fun 2 years ago!
To say the game was more fun 2 years ago is a vast understatement.
The game is now more grindy, than any other mmo I've played, counting Star Wars, and Wow both, courtesy of the Horrible Doff System and now the starbase system.
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# 8
08-31-2012, 07:27 AM
the League of Extraordinary captains?
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# 9
08-31-2012, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ghostyandfrosty View Post
To say the game was more fun 2 years ago is a vast understatement.
The game is now more grindy, than any other mmo I've played, counting Star Wars, and Wow both, courtesy of the Horrible Doff System and now the starbase system.
/ amen brother you preach the truth!
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# 10
08-31-2012, 08:07 AM
nvm post deleted.

Good luck with this effort.

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