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Captain
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# 11
09-02-2012, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
With those numbers wow...95% of the game is federation players...wow...I'm sorry greed away little feddies!

Make up all the fake numbers you want, doesn't take away the fact that feds in this game are some of the greediest I have ever seen in any faction and or mmo ever.
I'm guessing reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

It's a known fact that the KDF constitute 20% or less of the fan-base. My point with the 95% is that the vast majority of C-Store items are Federation items - thus they are being purchased by Fed players. The KDF are generally not out buying Regents, for example.

So yes, the Federation players are the people paying most of the money to Cryptic - the vast, vast, vast majority of money that Cryptic makes every single month comes from Fed items being sold.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 12
09-02-2012, 09:06 AM
personly id like to see kdf stuff added i got money and want to spent it but cant its all fed crap.
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# 13
09-02-2012, 09:12 AM
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personly id like to see kdf stuff added i got money and want to spent it but cant its all fed crap.
I don't think anyone's disputing the idea that KDF players would like to see more items in the C-Store. Unfortunately the problem is still just about simple economics: 8 Fed players versus 2 KDF players. Every Fed ship put into the game has 8 potential Fed buyers. Every KDF ship put into the game has only 2 potential KDF buyers. Cryptic makes 4 times more money selling Fed items compared to KDF items.

But here's something I always like to ask: there are 30 Fed ships and 21 KDF ships in the C-Store for us to buy. How many of those 21 ships do you own?
Rihannsu
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# 14
09-02-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
I don't think anyone's disputing the idea that KDF players would like to see more items in the C-Store. Unfortunately the problem is still just about simple economics: 8 Fed players versus 2 KDF players. Every Fed ship put into the game has 8 potential Fed buyers. Every KDF ship put into the game has only 2 potential KDF buyers. Cryptic makes 4 times more money selling Fed items compared to KDF items.
When it comes to the KDF ships Cryptic has failed in a simple matter of creating proper Fleet variants. Personally, considering that there aren't that many canon KDF ships to reference, I would be happy if Cryptic just added some more Fleet variants of already existing ships, instead of creating brand new ones for the C-Store. This way they could still charge 5-20$ for the Ship Modules, while satisfying the KDF playerbase without the need to create completely new models and designs.

And what did they do instead?

They've added a bunch of Tier 2-4 vessels with inferior stats, completely ignored any type of science vessels whatsoever, and completely forgotten about most Tier 5 variants - even those that do not come with any unique integrated ability.

I mean, seriously - where's my Fleet Kar'Fi? Where's Fleet Marauder? Where's ANY Gorn science ship? What's the reason not to include any of them? I would give another 20$ just to fly an upgraded Marauder FDC, but instead I am given the Fleet Corsair with completely different boff setup and not so great stats. What the hell? The same goes for Kar'Fi - one of my all time favourite ships in the game when it comes to performance. But nope - no fleet equivalent for me here.

No idea what were they thinging here... And at the very least these fleet ships could satisfy at least some portion of KDF community asking for more ships. But nope - not even the ones that would be easy to make are there - now go fly your inferior Tier 3 Refits...
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# 15
09-02-2012, 11:48 AM
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And what did they do instead?

They've added a bunch of Tier 2-4 vessels with inferior stats, completely ignored any type of science vessels whatsoever, and completely forgotten about most Tier 5 variants - even those that do not come with any unique integrated ability.
As near as I can tell it looks like 7 or 8 of the 21 ships are T5, which is 1/3. So it doesn't really look like they're intentionally trying to keep you away from end-game ships.

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I mean, seriously - where's my Fleet Kar'Fi? Where's Fleet Marauder? Where's ANY Gorn science ship? What's the reason not to include any of them? I would give another 20$ just to fly an upgraded Marauder FDC, but instead I am given the Fleet Corsair with completely different boff setup and not so great stats. What the hell? The same goes for Kar'Fi - one of my all time favourite ships in the game when it comes to performance. But nope - no fleet equivalent for me here.

No idea what were they thinging here... And at the very least these fleet ships could satisfy at least some portion of KDF community asking for more ships. But nope - not even the ones that would be easy to make are there - now go fly your inferior Tier 3 Refits...
I don't really care to debate Fleet ships. I'm not even sure the demand for Fleet ships is that high for the majority of the player-base - and I doubt most of the player-base will even make it to T4 or T5; though, I do think more ships will get added to the Fleetbase pool as they are completed.
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# 16
09-02-2012, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
As near as I can tell it looks like 7 or 8 of the 21 ships are T5, which is 1/3. So it doesn't really look like they're intentionally trying to keep you away from end-game ships.
KDF only got 4 - Qin, Vor'Cha, Negh'Var and the Vo'Quv. Rest is mostly Tier 2-4 retrofits, which naturally have -10% HP and Shields when compared to base Tier 5 vessels' stats.

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I don't really care to debate Fleet ships. I'm not even sure the demand for Fleet ships is that high for the majority of the player-base - and I doubt most of the player-base will even make it to T4 or T5; though, I do think more ships will get added to the Fleetbase pool as they are completed.
Errr, why wouldn't there be a demand for the most powerful ships in the game (or rather, upgraded versions of already existing ones). Even at Tier 1 and 2 you get access to some really neat toys for the FEDs, like the Fleet Patrol Escort, Fleet Recon, Fleet Star Cruiser etc. Tier 3 with Fleet Tactical Escort Refit also isn't that far off, and that ship has 5 tactical console slots, with only other ship like this being the bug ship. And all that not mentioning other Tier 5 variants, even the ones at Shipyard Tier 4 or 5. So yeah, I'd say they are tempting, and before S6 launch most of the discussions was about the ships, not other fleet benefits.

So now while I'm waiting for my fleet to reach Tier 3 Shipyard for the Defiant and such, my KDF toons have absolutely nothing to look forward to, because there's nothing new in the C-Store, and there's no Fleet variant of the ships I'm using.

My point is, if Cryptic is not planning to introduce any new C-Store ship, because of how minor the KDF playerbase is, then the least they could do something proper with existing variants and introduce more Fleet Re(tro)fits to the Shipyard. Marauder, Kar'Fi or any of the Gorn Sci ships would be a good start...
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# 17
09-02-2012, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by suaveks View Post
KDF only got 4 - Qin, Vor'Cha, Negh'Var and the Vo'Quv. Rest is mostly Tier 2-4 retrofits, which naturally have -10% HP and Shields when compared to base Tier 5 vessels' stats.
I believe you're forgetting about the 3 Borts.

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My point is, if Cryptic is not planning to introduce any new C-Store ship, because of how minor the KDF playerbase is, then the least they could do something proper with existing variants and introduce more Fleet Re(tro)fits to the Shipyard. Marauder, Kar'Fi or any of the Gorn Sci ships would be a good start...
And, as I said above, I believe you will see more variety added to the Fleet menu in time. Most Fleets are T1/T2 right now. It'll be several months before they hit T4/5 - and by them there could be several more ships added to the list.
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# 18
09-02-2012, 01:31 PM
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I believe you're forgetting about the 3 Borts.
The Bortas at Shipyard T5 is the inferior version that was given away for free during the 2nd anniversary (9 consoles, no special abilities etc.). The C-Store version is superior and together with the Odyssey are the only ships with 10 consoles and better stats that are being sold directly, and not through lock boxes or Fleet Shipyards.

So no, I'm not forgetting anything - FEDs have 10 Tier 5 Fleet refits (2 at each tier, not counting TBD Fleet Assault Cruiser), while KDF only get 4 (2 of which at way higher tiers).

Also, keep in mind, you get a discount for a Tier 5 Fleet vessel if you already own its equivalent from the C-Store (for example, if you own Tactical Escort Refit from the C-Store you pay only 1 Fleet Module instead of 4). Problem is, KDF have no such ship in the shipyard atm, so whatever you get, you need to pay the full 20$ price...

Up until now I tried to avoid the "zomg KDF are an afterthought!!11onemeh" discussions, but after seeing how Cryptic handled their Fleet ships in comparison to FED ones, I am honestly disappointed - ESPECIALLY with no C-Store content even being planned. The only "hope" is another lock box I guess...
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# 19
09-02-2012, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by suaveks View Post
The Bortas at Shipyard T5 is the inferior version that was given away for free during the 2nd anniversary (9 consoles, no special abilities etc.). The C-Store version is superior and together with the Odyssey are the only ships with 10 consoles and better stats that are being sold directly, and not through lock boxes or Fleet Shipyards.

So no, I'm not forgetting anything - FEDs have 10 Tier 5 Fleet refits (2 at each tier, not counting TBD Fleet Assault Cruiser), while KDF only get 4 (2 of which at way higher tiers).

Also, keep in mind, you get a discount for a Tier 5 Fleet vessel if you already own its equivalent from the C-Store (for example, if you own Tactical Escort Refit from the C-Store you pay only 1 Fleet Module instead of 4). Problem is, KDF have no such ship in the shipyard atm, so whatever you get, you need to pay the full 20$ price...

Up until now I tried to avoid the "zomg KDF are an afterthought!!11onemeh" discussions, but after seeing how Cryptic handled their Fleet ships in comparison to FED ones, I am honestly disappointed - ESPECIALLY with no C-Store content even being planned. The only "hope" is another lock box I guess...
You are the only person in this thread talking about Fleetbase ships. Everyone else is talking about direct C-Store items/ships - you know, those things we bought before the game introduced Fleetbases?

There are 30 Fed C-Store ships and 21 KDF C-Store ships. What there are in Fleetbases and what there might be in the future Fleetbases is meaningless to the discussion of more KDF things going into the C-Store.

Edit: And all of this is very-much off topic from the OP's purpose of the thread.

Last edited by thecosmic1; 09-02-2012 at 01:46 PM.
Rihannsu
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# 20
09-02-2012, 01:49 PM
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You are the only person in this thread talking about Fleetbase ships. Everyone else is talking about direct C-Store items/ships - you know, those things we bought before the game introduced Fleetbases?
Breaking news - Fleet ships are superior to C-Store ships. Most of the things you buy at the moment is going to be inferior once you unlock the proper shipyard level. The only exceptions are the Odyssey and the Bortasqu, as well as the lock box ships.

I see you completely missed my point, which was a simple solution to the lack of (m)any new KDF C-Store ships. And that is, to introduce more Fleet versions of already existing ships. If you say there are way more potential buyers at the FED side, and Cryptic's going to put all its resources there, then KDF are being more and more left out. So if they're not planning on introducing anything completely new for this faction to be sold in the C-Store, then the least they could do is provide some variety through Fleet ships. Which they didn't, thus a lost potential.
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