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# 931
09-03-2012, 03:06 PM
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tank is what?

the only ship what can take endless dmg is the tholian carrier any other ship is crap in compare to it.

and exactly you cry in 1 shot threat that you are always dead from invis thinks what kill you anywhere MR tank.
stats = not that important.
console slots = quite important.
bo layout = the most important.
the tholian ship has a science oriented layout- it has the most sci slots of any ship in the game (bops discluded). assuming when we say endless damage, we do not count any of the cheap one shot weapons, any ship can do that. a tank has a secondary roll thats either A)cc, b)healing or, in the case of the exel and sovi, C) decent damge. the tholian carrier is a class 'A' ship, in that its bo layout makes it optimal for cc and tanking. my 'nx' oddy has a layout which i use for the 'dragon tank' setup (search it- theres a thread about it somewhere) and i can keep all my 8 beams firing at 80+ wep power, so my ship is class 'C', tanking and decent damage. i have nothing against the tholian carrier, but it is not the best ship in the game. there is no best ship in the game. a ship's awesomeness is directly porportional to the skill of the dude in the pilot seat.
/end rant
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# 932
09-03-2012, 03:13 PM
there is a best ship ingame its called karfi much more firepower , but i say i outdps with the tholian -1 console -1 weapon to karfi anyone in this threat!!!!!


who will challange me say it we make a movie about this run finally and post it here in this threat to show anyone the result+ i sayed the tholian cant die in a STF for this we can also make a test in STFs.

who is interested say it.

7 min STF runs become boring i need new challenge.

i start a new threat for this in PVE section, here is it wrong placed, pls check new threat REAl power of the ships in STO.

Last edited by lostmoony; 09-03-2012 at 03:17 PM.
Captain
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# 933
09-03-2012, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by maelwy5 View Post
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tank is what?
the only ship what can take endless dmg is the tholian carrier any other ship is crap in compare to it.
"Taking damage" does NOT make you a tank.
"Taking damage" and "Holding aggro" makes you a tank.

A Tholian Carrier can be built to survive more damage than most other ships in the game... but if you build it that way, then the damage it puts out will be too low to reliably hold the attention of enemies. So that setup becomes pretty much pointless.
challange Me Say Me A Time Tomorrow And We Make The Run Who Clears Faster A Side In Kase Solo.
Way to entirely miss my point.

Let me make it a bit clearer for you:

Dealing Damage != Tanking
Taking Damage != Tanking
Holding Aggro != Tanking

Taking Damage AND Holding Aggro == Tanking.

You are NOT going to be able to use your Tholian Carrier's Universal Commander slot for Heals/Buffs and still hold aggro over a decently equipped + pilotted Escort, especially on a Skittle build. Your Damage output is going to be split between you and your fighters, and you won't have the Tactical BOFF slots to match the Escort's DPS. It's just plain not happening. If you switch the Universal Commander slot to a Tac BOFF, then your DPS will rise, but you'll be less survivable. You can't have it both ways.

If you chose to slot the Tac BOFF then I'm sure you'll perform better in PVE. I'm not debating that, because PVE does not require lots of survivability. But even if the Tholian Carrier was capable of putting out the highest-damage in the game, it should be self-evident that bragging about your ship's capacity for large amounts of damage is futile whilst you are simultaneously limiting its damage potential by running multiple energytypes.

That said, have fun in your new thread.
I'm sure you'll find plenty of people to take you up on your challenge there

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Last edited by maelwy5; 09-04-2012 at 01:01 AM.
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# 934
09-03-2012, 06:04 PM
I would like to see your tholian build please :-) i am interested in attempting an stf in mine but i would need to kit it out first
Commander
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# 935
09-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Ok suber, let me do ya a favor...
Let's get back to storys of skittle fails, shalt we?
There, I did about 50% of your entire job for you.
Now go forth and witness rainbow fail my friends!
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# 936
09-03-2012, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by maelwy5 View Post

Dealing Damage != Tanking
Taking Damage != Tanking
Holding Aggro != Tanking

Dealing Damage AND Holding Aggro == Tanking.

you can not read what i write all the time.

i say i outdps you easy that includes alot dmg and who deal dmg have always AGRO!!!

and i sayed a tholian is the ONLY ship in STO what i never have seen going down about his high capacitys on hull+ shild.

so, he is the ONLY real tank in the game!!!!!
no other ship can outperform him in this abilitys, yes i love the karfi much more, most times hold all agro from bosses works to without diing, but a karfi can die a tholian carrier not.
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# 937
09-04-2012, 01:58 AM
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you can not read what i write all the time.
Lets continue this in your new thread and leave these nice people to their other stories of Doom and Frustration. OK?

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Last edited by maelwy5; 09-04-2012 at 02:02 AM.
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# 938
09-04-2012, 06:56 AM
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Lets continue this in your new thread and leave these nice people to their other stories of Doom and Frustration. OK?
and now that that flame war is settled (5 bucks on the short one!) we can continue...
anyone got some laughable material? b/c ive been avoiding stf's like the plague lately (s6: skilled players under siege!)
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# 939
09-04-2012, 11:03 AM
I'm stunned at the level of hate and scapegoating that has arisen in the STF's. I just finished the KANG map and was accused of destroying a cube, causing an endless flow of raptor spawn that resulted in a mission failure.

Apparently I killed a cube by deploying a turret...a single turret mind you... that auto-fired it to death. I want more of THOSE turrets. To be fair, I did deploy a turret, 3km from the Kang for defense.The thing is, the person spouting expletives and "/tells" at me was fighting right beside me in his/her escort fending off BOP's when they instructed someone in the chat (yeah, I actually try to look that now and then) not to kill a cube that was at 10%.

So the poop hits the fan and when it's all over I attempted to understand why this individual was spouting crazy accusations about me and my supposed (insert expletive) noobishness. They went on about how I used my "magic" turret to kill a cube and wasted everyone's time. They then put me on ignore so I was unable to reply and let them know they were sorely mistaken. For the record, I'm flying a torpedocentric sv ....I don't go near the cubes in cure. I defend or take out the gens (lower ones 1st) from a safe distance.

lotsa folk doing crack and playing STO it seems.
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# 940
09-04-2012, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dood98998 View Post
anyone got some laughable material? b/c ive been avoiding stf's like the plague lately (s6: skilled players under siege!)
Me too. I've been avoiding the STFs for weeks now. I've been doing more Fleet Missions. There aren't quite as many issues in the Fleet Missions. People usually say HI and do a fair job of killing things. There don't seem to be near as many Rainbow/Technicolor beams (Anyone using them in my fleet gets a warning then kicked.) The players in the Fleet missions often act as a team rather than the willy nilly DPSless shoot-em-ups in the STF's. Very often you see three or four ships of the same fleet also but that's not suprising.

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