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# 31
09-06-2012, 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by baudl View Post
while i do think more fleet ships should have universal ensigns...i can understand why the fleet defiant does not.

the design idea (atleast i think) is, that the ship is a harder hitter than the other escorts...but at the expense of losing any form of versatility.
If you want a more versatile escort...take the fleet patrol escort. I regularely switch boffs in it to either have a second EPtS1 or EPtW1...or even have the possibility to use a prepulsor beam, without losing HE1 and TSS1. That kind of variation shouldn't be possible with any other escort, obviously thats the opinion of the developers.

as i said before, that is only what i observed..i still personally think fleet ships should have a universal ensign all through the ranks.

and yes...klingon fleet ships are in desperate shape and should never have been implemented as they are now for the most part.
The problem is, that tactical ensign doesnt increase your damage in PvP, only a full DHC escort will, and let that just be the case that you most likely throw away 2/3 of your ensign tactical stations huh?

Hardest hitting, LOL.

You got me there.
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# 32
09-16-2013, 10:58 AM
I disagree. I think that making people try different builds other than 4x DHC fore is interesting.
It has +1 turn rate over other escorts, a 5th tac console, and can cloak. You need SOME sort of drawback.
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# 33
09-16-2013, 11:25 AM
Its only a drawback when using all cannons. If you use a DBB power or torpedo buff then you can essentially double up on that skill without doffs.

BO3 and BO1

TS3 and TS1

Target subsystem X 3 and 1

Granted you have the attack pattern doffs but that's why they're so expensive.

Still outclassed by the bug though. Cloak should be built in not a console.

Last edited by edalgo; 09-16-2013 at 11:28 AM.
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# 34
09-16-2013, 12:21 PM
Originally Posted by naz4 View Post
Based on how overpowered the Bug is, for most of the "not rich" pvpers out there, to make the defiant "close" in capability to the bug, it should have an ensign universal slot.
imo not only the fleet defiant needs an universal ensign slot, but all fleet ships should have.
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# 35
09-16-2013, 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by lascaille View Post
imo not only the fleet defiant needs an universal ensign slot, but all fleet ships should have.
But, but...I want Fleet Ships to have a Captain ranked Universal FOFF Slot!

RSF1, EPS1, NI1, MW1

Scan1, SNB1, SField1, PFleet1

APA1, FoMM1, TI1, GDF1

To Hell with Balance!

edit: Heh, I'm going to make that my sig...

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# 36
09-16-2013, 01:42 PM
all the iconic ships are the oldest in game. i bet people would like to fly those most, but all the odd ball and alien ships are just better. the galaxy class most needs a reevaluation, but stuff like the defiant, and intrepid could use a bit of love too.
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# 37
09-16-2013, 01:48 PM
Said this in another thread already, I'll say it again: every c-store and fleet ship that does not have any universal stations and does have an ensign should have the ensign converted to universal. That's most of the old classics.

Every romulan ship has more than that. Its time to drag the old ships up a notch.
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# 38
09-16-2013, 02:22 PM
Nerf Klinks, Buff Rommies
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# 39
09-16-2013, 02:46 PM
actually i think that is a nice idea to buff the fleet defiant in that way but unfortunately Craptic..... i mean cryptic will never do that.

with the ensign universal slot it would have the same perfect boff layout like fleet patrol just with more firepower and a bit more turnrate. nevertheless it would be still a little bit inferior to the bug ship: it still would have less hull power, a worse shield modifier and turn rate

defiant: 33.000 hull, 0.99 shield modifier, 17 base turn rate
bug-ship: 34.500 hull, 1 " " , 20 " "

what they also should do is to turn the universal-console, which is needed to use the cloak in this ship, into a ship-integrated cloak just like all the other klingon and romulan ships because the defiant is the only ship which needs 1 console to use its cloak and this is pity because in fact you only have 9 free console slots left...

At the moment the fleet defiant is absolutely useless both as normal escort and as alpha striker... whereas double tap beam overload will be nerfed.

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Last edited by usshannibal; 09-16-2013 at 02:56 PM.
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# 40
09-16-2013, 04:39 PM
I think that both Fleet defiant and the Fleet Mvae have that extra ensign tactical doing nothing there... they both should be universal... in order to be some fairness in the game, and it would bring up those ships a little bit more closer to the bug, and even to the romulan ships...

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