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# 151
09-06-2012, 04:56 PM
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You're clearly a far more patient and empathic man than I. I'm afraid I come from a background where idiotic rhetoric needs to be challenged for fear that it will turn into accepted policy and so I see a thread like this, wrong on so many levels, and I challenge it in an attempt to do what good I can for this game that I love.

But as for the reasons why, Cryptic had to bundle the ships and the consoles. With the majority of their player base being at end game the individual consoles made those ships a viable purchase for the majority of their current players. I do agree they should just come out and repeat what they said when they started releasing +1 ships way back when, these consoles were always intended to be available to both factions.
Yes but they are enjoying a respectful conversation with those who do not share kilemorgan's stated views. The rewards for patience and empathy are positive.

Then again caustic and judgemental tend to produce what you have experienced, polarized negativity. You are a self fulling prophecy in that regard.

What? I did not call you a whiner despite your complaints about everyone else being a whiner, or emotional, or ineffective or short sighted or... See labels you use that are caustic and polarizing.

Shame really. I often thought of you as intelligent and that it would be nice to actually talk to you but then again you refuse to talk to me because I'm emotional, ineffective, irrational...

*yawns*

You see where this is going.
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They taste the same.
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# 152
09-06-2012, 06:16 PM
This is just ridiculous... the fed player base <majority not all of them mind you> will whine and pine for things the other side has....they just will, period. "The grass is always greener..."
That adage applies here, its just simple human nature. Whether its Orions, or slave princess leia costumes, batleths, or BoP's, someone is going to want it if they dont have it.

Every body to some extent wants to have their cake and eat it too.... some of us are just shortsighted enough to allow for such attitudes and immediate self gratification at the detriment and expense of the entire game, not realizing or maybe not even caring that it ruins the very thing we all enjoy.



Yeah, that's right.
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# 153
09-06-2012, 06:56 PM
Its not about completeness of the KDF to become more players the fedfans. Its about completion of our faction so we can enjoy a level of gameplay we currently fo not. It seems fair to us hardcore fans as after decades of continuing fandom for the Klingons


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Do not remember seeing the first 2. As for the third I remember the gunner being told to disable the engines, failing, then being killed. The next ship to show up was the damaged and automated enterprise. I do not intentionally ignore facts. I either did not see that or remember it differently.

I also recall the Defiant using cannons to target sub systems. An argument for making target subsystems useable for more then just beams I suppose.

Point is anyone can try to make anything their faction only, use whatever argument for it they can think of. It still just continues to make things a us vs them situation that SOME are not only going with but dragging way to far.


I alwsys thought that phasrrs whrre more accurate than distuptors, hence why the fedrations vessels subsystem targeted more

Cannons bring able to Subsystem target?? Maybe as series of T2, T3, T4 abilities nearly idenuical to Beam TsS.

See first response for why yhe Klingons and KDF has good fans.
Unfottunately every fan can sometimes go to far, hence the term fan-atic.
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# 154
09-06-2012, 09:15 PM
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I can respect that you would come from a PvE angle. I was pure PvE once and seldom did PvP in other games before STO. I am sorry to hear that griefers ruined your experience.

I will ken to the notion that there is an advantage to both sides not having unique mechanics. It becomes much easier to balance the game itself. The caveat is that at the same time you ruin a piece of the meta game. The part where you try to figure out which is the best paper to beat the best rock or scissor. When you PvP more this strategic element of the meta game becomes it's own kinda fun and even leads folk like me to spend real life money to get respecs, weapons and gear to test these nascent notions.

As a rule meta builds are the best way to get folks to holler "Hax" in zone chat. And yes sometimes we do build around a console that enhances a captain ability, BO skill or even one that drains an opponent faster as an opponent without subsystems power can not run, can not turn, can not hit, nor can they defend. Given the amount of cross healing and the viability of both hull and shield heals, drain builds can go a long way to break a stale mate in the battle space. Out of balance and they simply scare new and old PvPers out of the queues.

Given that many KDF players also PvP the notion that the Feds with a MACO shield, (which is very common in PvP), using Plasmodic Leach for an even bigger boost will scare a few out of the queues. Even if it is only a couple of days before a restructure of how Plasmodic Leach works and blocking it from over enhancing the MACO effect that is bad for PvP.

Then again all that is the reason I do not run the Plasmodic Leach on my KDF builds even though I own it. Did I just admit it is a touch on the OP side? Yup. Still there are those who continue to run the Bug despite admitting that it is hands down the absolute best escort in the game. Some will take any edge they can get.

But to write like that is not being as myopic and emotional as I am supposed to be according to another poster in this thread.

I would say no to a KDF super science cruiser with zero drawbacks just as quick as I said no to Feds getting Plasmodic Leach. As I said before, for me, even in PvP there is something to getting the job done on your own merits. That and such a monster in the queues could hurt the numbers that do brave PvP. One of the reasons I have taught PvP in the past was because I want a good challenge, I want them to have fun too, and I only want them to call hax as a backhanded compliment.
Well.

Part of what I forget, is that the Klingon faction was first an only PvP faction.
Something I began to fear was the case while reading up on it before beta. Part of why I was put off to it for some time when beta came and went and yes, that was the case.

I don't want a completely non unique system. What I hope for and try to get across now that I'm starting to post more is that uniqueness does not mean that a lot of the arguments over weapons and consoles are a detraction. That there can be uniqueness without say 35-40 Fed only ones and 15-20 Klingon ones. That it may sadly be the only way Klingon will get new things to try and play with. The one thing that is good (I cannot believe I am saying this) about the lock box. It gives some players a chance to get access to things they normally do not. Even if they get a console pack for 400k ec someone payed money for it like someone paid for one of the original ships. In theory it balances out somewhere.

I have said I build around my ship. I understand others do it different ways. Around a skill or in here console. I've played different games on and off during my life. One was a card game called Magic. I would build decks in it that were around a gimmick and noticed how after a while some new one would come out and that would be the end of the one I came up with. In here when someone comes up with a gimmick it may or may not be OP. It does however almost always get railed against and then nerfed. By that I mean over nerfed fairly often. I look at science, TSS and such as some examples.

The Leach. I do not have one, I don't care if it's traded. I also don't have MACO. I just haven't the time for all that most of the time. Other things take up the time. You and the OP were I think the only ones who listed a reason not to trade based on MACO. There were several of the same, It is ours and we will not allow a trade posts. I will not say narrow minded, but it is many time the same type of posts that are then reversed to say they Demand or deserve something else. Just give it to them and that is all.

I almost started to respond to something else but it's to a different poster I noticed. I'll just say that talking with some people instead of two people arguing is enjoyable. I'm being vocal for the moment but this is a game, not my house burning down.
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# 155
09-06-2012, 09:18 PM
Folks, Priority One is hosting a KDF-focused Q & A event with the devs. There are some important issues covered in this thread on the leech and I hope you will consider submitting a question for the Q & A event.

Here is a link to a thread with further details:

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...71#post5613871

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# 156
09-06-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
Its not about completeness of the KDF to become more players the fedfans. Its about completion of our faction so we can enjoy a level of gameplay we currently fo not. It seems fair to us hardcore fans as after decades of continuing fandom for the Klingons





I alwsys thought that phasrrs whrre more accurate than distuptors, hence why the fedrations vessels subsystem targeted more

Cannons bring able to Subsystem target?? Maybe as series of T2, T3, T4 abilities nearly idenuical to Beam TsS.

See first response for why yhe Klingons and KDF has good fans.
Unfottunately every fan can sometimes go to far, hence the term fan-atic.

It is about a Full faction. It is even about other full factions in the future. Romulan fans should be standing with the Klingon players. Right now they see it as numbers. 18 or 20 or whatever percent. That detracts. The arguments in these forums posts are a detraction.
While the Faction doesn't need say 50 percent to play Klingon, it needs a majority of players to stand behind it. Why I keep typing instead of just passing because it's another thread that will end with some group or other demanding something. I feel it needs to be said. If the other argument I've heard about how Feds always get what they want is true, then I think getting as many of those players on the side is a win.

I do not recall reading or seeing anything about accuracy differences.

Cannons, I am only going by what they did in the show. Which seems a starting point for things in here.
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# 157
09-07-2012, 01:58 AM
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It is about a Full faction. It is even about other full factions in the future. Romulan fans should be standing with the Klingon players. Right now they see it as numbers. 18 or 20 or whatever percent. That detracts. The arguments in these forums posts are a detraction.
While the Faction doesn't need say 50 percent to play Klingon, it needs a majority of players to stand behind it. Why I keep typing instead of just passing because it's another thread that will end with some group or other demanding something. I feel it needs to be said. If the other argument I've heard about how Feds always get what they want is true, then I think getting as many of those players on the side is a win.

I do not recall reading or seeing anything about accuracy differences.

Cannons, I am only going by what they did in the show. Which seems a starting point for things in here.
I agree it is about a full faction and swapping consoles in lock boxes is the Devs only dodging the issue. I said it earlier, they now have more employees than they did before launch. They should be able to start producing more novel toys for us to play with and the same for the Feds. See I am not against the Feds getting new things, that would be bad for the game.

I am, however, all for growing the KDF and preserving faction differences for both red, blue and eventually green. I can not see protecting the differences between the factions as stingy when it is better for long term game play. Even when it is a rare thing that a Fed is runs amok with KDF tech or vice versa.

Maybe I would be more open to the notion if these lock box items were a touch more common but only good for a week before they burn out after initial activation. Perhaps a taste of what the Feds perceive to make the KDF OP would be good enough to get a Fed only player try the red pill. In the very least it would mute some of the tells about KDF cheating.
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# 158
09-07-2012, 05:18 AM
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Its not about completeness of the KDF to become more players the fedfans. Its about completion of our faction so we can enjoy a level of gameplay we currently fo not. It seems fair to us hardcore fans as after decades of continuing fandom for the Klingons
It seems they dont care about US.

I am telling you this ''rumor'' is killing KDF day by day.

It killed me as KDF yeap! totally lost my interest on keep on playing KDF side when i know in 1-2 months i will be able to stack MACO shields+leech console with minimal RL money cost.

I was a good KDF player that was trying to recruit more ppl into KDF side by sharing my powerful ship builds and skills and doffs etc etc.
I was a fanatic KDF player also and a rly good KDF customer.

This ''RUMOR'' ONLY was enough to stop me from playing KDF and stop from investing time and money on KDF side.

This is an live example why you the rest klingons must raise and fight with all your powers to show company that you CANNT afford to loose more KDF fanatics.

soon you will realize that you wasted time and money on a faction that is DEAD.

I was an honor flying among honorable klingons from now on i wont be playing the game much and if i do i will be playing FED without spending ANY RL money again. Since you favour quantity and not quality (80%fedsvs20%kdfs)

Wish i could sell my KDF toon with all the stuff he got... but i cant even do that....

RIP KDF
FED FTW FED F2P

PS.Roach and other elders follow my advice leave KDF side it wont be good enough if feds get our leech and stack it with their MACO sheilds and you know it. If they want KDF dead then give them death sooner so they realize that it was a bad descisions .

ps2. leech console will be on lockboxes once tholian lockboxes expire and a week after here it comes KDF death.
So why to sit around waste even more time and money on KDF side when feds got better stats on their shipS and once they get leech con then leech+MACO they will be so much more powerful you realize that right?

RIP KDF

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# 159
09-07-2012, 05:47 AM
thesnyndicate, if you're going to give up on a faction over one rumoured console, then you really didn't have the KDF at heart to start with. Yes the Leech Console is a nice unique KDF console but even if the Dev's decided to give it to the Federation (which I agree is a mistake) it won't stop me playing the KDF side in fact it might make me stop playing the Federation side all together (already stopped buying stuff on that side and buying Zen with RL money).

But giving up is certainly not the answer, we KDF fans have a code of honour, which in part is to continue the fight no matter how it's stacked against us. Anything less is just not who we are.
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# 160
09-07-2012, 06:27 AM
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thesnyndicate, if you're going to give up on a faction over one rumoured console, then you really didn't have the KDF at heart to start with. Yes the Leech Console is a nice unique KDF console but even if the Dev's decided to give it to the Federation (which I agree is a mistake) it won't stop me playing the KDF side in fact it might make me stop playing the Federation side all together (already stopped buying stuff on that side and buying Zen with RL money).

But giving up is certainly not the answer, we KDF fans have a code of honour, which in part is to continue the fight no matter how it's stacked against us. Anything less is just not who we are.
I agree with you mate but come on its so unfair to give them leech console i cant stand this up i am sorry.

I rly like KDF and this game but after this rumor idk if i will keep playing any of those.

This might be a good lesson for PWE scumbags to stop acting greedy and without consiousness.

You should follow me. Maybe go back to eve at least there they care about balance it seems after all.......
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