Lt. Commander
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# 11
09-17-2012, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
I have played Bridge Commander for a long time.
There where some great mods out there, some years ago.
(but my disc got broken a long time ago, and i don't really have the money to buy another copy of this game.)
For my taste, that game was much too focussed on combat, i wish there where some kind of free roaming game mode or Exploration mode, where other qualities of your ship where needed.
(something like transport Colonists from A to B, explore some Stellar systems, or some strange anomalies, more activity inside the ship and away team missions.)
When i see most Star Trek games one could think that Star Trek is all about War and destruction.

I wish there was a Star Trek game which is more like a open ended Star Trek simulation. Something like Starflight just more modern and considerably bigger scale.
STO is the closest thing to that, but we all know there are worlds between STO and a Star Trek simulation, lol.


Thanks again everyone for your contributions.


Live long and prosper.

I know exactly what you are looking for. It's not out there.

Why don't you start with writing down in detail what you would like this game to be like? You could make a design and mail the idea to software houses (without any expectations to get anything for it). Who knows, if the idea is solid, you might inspire someone.

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Captain
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# 12
09-17-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hydaspes View Post
I know exactly what you are looking for. It's not out there.

Why don't you start with writing down in detail what you would like this game to be like? You could make a design and mail the idea to software houses (without any expectations to get anything for it). Who knows, if the idea is solid, you might inspire someone.
When i have more spare time to do it, i will try.

I am not so sure if such a game would be profitable, most gamers look only for high end graphics and don't care much for the game itself.
On the other hand games like the Sims are sucessful, maybe a space bound game that focusses on exploration, diplomacy, combat and micromanagement might be sucessful as well. Or do you think thats too specific. I cannot say if Sci Fi games are especially popular or not.


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Lt. Commander
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# 13
09-17-2012, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
When i have more spare time to do it, i will try.

I am not so sure if such a game would be profitable, most gamers look only for high end graphics and don't care much for the game itself.
On the other hand games like the Sims are sucessful, maybe a space bound game that focusses on exploration, diplomacy, combat and micromanagement might be sucessful as well. Or do you think thats too specific. I cannot say if Sci Fi games are especially popular or not.


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It's a good question. Profitability (or at least sustainability) is key of course. But you are right to mention something like the Sims, no-one would have imagined that to become profitable before it did.

I think you could build a business case for such a game around other examples of games that have more of an exploration purpose. And there are plenty. Take something like Skyrim, game of the year. Yes, you can fight. But a lot of people just want to explore that beautiful world, interact with NPC's, get into the lore, build their character. I am also thinking of something like second life. People are just there to enjoy a world, commune, etc. And there are many more. So it doesn't need to be all war and action to attract an audience. But developers do not tend to think outside the box, it's risky.

In the case of Star Trek, there is a good fan base of geeks out there. So it will always attract a certain amount of people. And a Star Trek fan will not tend to have a main interest in war, that was not what the series and films were about. So....there must be something in your idea, I would think. You just have to dig numbers up, make calculated assumptions and work out a rough potential that would hopefully be convincing.

As to sci fi games, there is a good market for those. I think you will find a great number of succesful games in the sci/fi and fantasy section. You just want something more creative than the average.

A new trend is also in the user-developed games, that will become bigger (and STO plays into that with the Foundry, which is regrettably a bit limited at this stage). So you could also concentrate on a good gaming engine with the right mechanics (dedicated more to exploration, interaction, etc.) where the fans can create a lot of content. And can also customize their own enviroment that way. It will be the future of gaming.

You should definitely meditate on it, you never know what you can achieve.

Last edited by hydaspes; 09-20-2012 at 04:10 AM.
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# 14
09-20-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by hydaspes View Post
It's a good question. Profitability (or at least sustainability) is key of course. But you are right to mention something like the Sims, no-one would have imagined that to become profitable before it did.

I think you could build a business case for such a game around other examples of games that have more of an exploration purpose. And there are plenty. Take something like Skyrim, game of the year. Yes, you can fight. But a lot of people just want to explore that beautiful world, interact with NPC's, get into the lore, build their character. I am also thinking of something like second life. People are just there to enjoy a world, commune, etc. And there are many more. So it doesn't need to be all war and action to attract an audience. But developers do not tend to think outside the box, it's risky.

In the case of Star Trek, there is a good fan base of geeks out there. So it will always attract a certain amount of people. And a Star Trek fan will not tend to have a main interest in war, that was not what the series and films were about. So....there must be something in your idea, I would think. You just have to dig numbers up, make calculated assumptions and work out a rough potential that would hopefully be convincing.

As to sci fi games, there is a good market for those. I think you will find a great number of succesful games in the sci/fi and fantasy section. You just want something more creative than the average.

A new trend is also in the user-developed games, that will become bigger (and STO plays into that with the Foundry, which is regrettably a bit limited at this stage). So you could also concentrate on a good gaming engine with the right mechanics (dedicated more to exploration, interaction, etc.) where the fans can create a lot of content. And can also customize their own enviroment that way. It will be the future of gaming.

You should definitely meditate on it, you never know what you can achieve.
I wouldn't even know how to start. But thanks for your inspiring words.

I have seen one game in the making that could be much closer to what i am looking for than STO. I am not so sure if i am allowed to link it here but looks realy promising. Althrough it looks more like a mobil phone game but it seems to feature mostly everything i am looking for.
I never cared about high end graphics very much. Personally i think general design is much more important than some light reflections or shader efects.


Another promising game is ST: Excalibur, but realisticly i don't think they will release it in the next couple of years.
The problem i see here is that the developers seem to place a high emphasis on high end graphics, which will be not so awesoms in several years.

I think they should focus much more on creating a working game that features a open Star Trek world where you can go everywhere and do everything you want. Creating generators that give you missions on the run.
Instead of slowing themselves down with making one high polygon ship model after another. (fan mods could do that as well.)



Live long and prosper.
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# 15
11-26-2014, 12:35 AM
I'm looking forward to No Man's Sky, but I definitely wish there were more games like you are describing.
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# 16
11-26-2014, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post

I am looking for a game which features both Ground (walking around on planets/starbases) and space (flying your ship).
It would be great if had some RPG elements like character developement and customization and much equipment to choose.
Ships should be very big (no spacefighters) and highly customizable and there should be a huge universe to explore.

I know there are many 4x games around but i am looking for a rpg game, one captain one ship .
I have tried Mass effect I and II but once you have played it through a couple of times you have seen it all.
i am looking for a game with no fixed storyline, just an open universe to explore and a lot to do. It would be nice if there would content added by the developers or maybe some fanmade mods.

I am not sure if i should have written this post in the first place, but if anyone knows a game like this please let me know.


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Perhaps Elite Dangerous would scratch your itch.

The concept is; you start out with a Sidewinder, a thousand credits and a couple of pea-shooters, then you are set free in the galaxy (billions of systems) to do whatever you feel like. Mining? Trading? Bounty hunting? Military missions? Colonial missions? Exploration? PvP? Or you can play it alone, no PvP. Or with a group of friends and no-one else. It's a sandbox game, like the Elite games of old. There is no storyline aside from what you make yourself, and though there will be occasional scripted and dynamic events, much of the gameplay will be emergent from your own actions.

Sure, you start out in a tiny, underpowered ship, but you can earn the bigger/better vessels that suit what you want to do. Agreed, at launch there will be no walking on space stations or landing on planets, both of those are due next year in planned updates.

Google knows a lot about this game, youtube has a lot of videos from the beta versions (check for Isinona and Scott Manley in particular, they give a great overview of the features).

Star Citizen is also in development, but is ... well ... less to my tastes for many reasons (microtransaction heavy, linear single player campaign and so on). One Man's Sky as mentioned and though it looks lovely, I'm less convinced by the gameplay.
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# 17
11-26-2014, 03:47 AM
Take a look at the "X-..." series http://www.egosoft.com, but dont buy the latest one.
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# 18
11-26-2014, 05:04 AM
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I'm looking forward to No Man's Sky, but I definitely wish there were more games like you are describing.
Intresting, will definitely get it. Thanks!
Why does star trek online do so badly? Well its obvious, devs at sto are occupied with Elite Dangerous!
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# 19
11-26-2014, 06:06 AM
No Man's Sky looks interesting ... But it's not Star Trek to me.

Good luck yreodred. I have missed your posts here lately.
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# 20
11-26-2014, 10:49 AM
Spore is a pretty fun one, but once you're in space, you stay there.

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