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# 11
09-23-2012, 04:05 AM
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I care because I find a lot of people new to STO look on the first page of a forum for interesting threads, and if there is nothing there, they move on, and usually don't look at the hundreds of pages below it.

There are fantastic and interesting postings in Ten Forward (and not by me, I have never started a thread). But they all get bumped off within a day or two by all these senseless ones that really belong on facebook or twitter. So hardly anyone gets to see the good threads this way, threads for fans of Star Trek.

Does it hurt me? No. Is it good for the forum and the ST fans? No. Does that bother me. Yes, enough to start a discussion on it.

I have not singled this one out though. I agree with you there are lots more! And I consider this a bit more of a test case. If in the end moderators would agree it's better for the quality of the forum to discourage this kind of irrelevant threads, it will apply to all of them.

But you know, if a thread seems irrelevant, but the jokes and puns are about STO subjects, I would say it's not out of place. That is more a matter of taste. So I would have to read the tribble posting more carefully before I agree with you on that one.

The Captain Awesomeness thread I have read carefully, so on that one I'm certain.
I don't know, Considering the forum is divided into sections, and that the first page of the forums is actualy a listing of those sections with a description and the most current posting. I find it hard to believe anyone would just look at 10f and give up. Also if the moderators were ever going to remove any of those posts they would have done it years ago. And considering we are talking about a small number of threads posted bu a small group of people I also don't see how the entire first page of 10f posts could be the ones you disagree with. I mean i rarelt go to 10f or post anything in it but i find i have no trouble reading the interesting bits or wading through the sea of things I have no interest in to find the nuggets of thing I do.
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# 12
09-23-2012, 04:08 AM
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Are you new to ten forward or something because these small band of people have been there for 3 years. These small band of people made ten forward into what it was and put their own brand of unique humour into it. If that unique humour is not to your taste, then dont read the thread.
It's not about the humor, it's about wheter it's relevant to STO.

Yes, I am new, and many more people here are new. It is actually good news for this forum that new people come along. We want new people to get into it, right?

As a new person I see lots of interesting threads by other new people being bumped off the first page within days, by this small band of old players. I respect the old players, but I also think they have some responsibility for making it all a bit more accesible for new players.

Look on page two and three of the forum, at threads of new people, that are really interesting to Star Trek fans and that already have died out because no-one sees them anymore. All for the benefit of us reading what the best hamburger joint in a particular US town is.
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# 13
09-23-2012, 04:12 AM
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It's not about the humor, it's about wheter it's relevant to STO.
This is the description for Ten Forward

Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, role play, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited.

Where does it say it has to be relevant to STO?

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# 14
09-23-2012, 04:12 AM
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I don't know, Considering the forum is divided into sections, and that the first page of the forums is actualy a listing of those sections with a description and the most current posting. I find it hard to believe anyone would just look at 10f and give up. Also if the moderators were ever going to remove any of those posts they would have done it years ago. And considering we are talking about a small number of threads posted bu a small group of people I also don't see how the entire first page of 10f posts could be the ones you disagree with. I mean i rarelt go to 10f or post anything in it but i find i have no trouble reading the interesting bits or wading through the sea of things I have no interest in to find the nuggets of thing I do.
Maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it does not bother the new people as much as it bothers me. I just thing it might. I just particularly love ten forward because it is about free-topic Star Trek, rp, etc. All the other categories are not. I just think Ten Forward could be a lot better if it is less 'twitter' and more 'Star Trek forum'.
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# 15
09-23-2012, 04:18 AM
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Maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it does not bother the new people as much as it bothers me. I just thing it might. I just particularly love ten forward because it is about free-topic Star Trek, rp, etc. All the other categories are not. I just think Ten Forward could be a lot better if it is less 'twitter' and more 'Star Trek forum'.
Well 10f was never dedicated to only things startrek its the only free form forum on this site and the only place where you can talk about what you want regardless of topic. I will also note the the lions share of topics are in some way startrek related and most of the dead posts are usualy dead end conversations to begin with. Alot of the posts from new people only ever contain the origional post and nothing else from that user.
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# 16
09-23-2012, 04:19 AM
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This is the description for Ten Forward

Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, role play, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited.

Where does it say it has to be relevant to STO?
Nowhere it states that clearly, in that you are right.

Only, from the nature of this forum, it would make sense if the topics are even remotely relevant for Star Trek fans. I thought the thread on the new Robocop or Judge Dread films were relevant, because we are all sci-fi fans. So it doesn't need to be about Star Trek.

But these threads we are talking about are not into any of the above mentioned things either. They are already friends (that mostly live in the same town), so making friends they are not. It's not about introducing themselves. It's not about fan art, fan fiction, role play, not even about drinking Romulan Ale!.

Surely Ten Forward is not simply a waste bin for all topics that fit nowhere else? The rules do not seem to imply that either. Surely the question where the best burger is to be had in a particual US town is not really relevant for Ten Forward?

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# 17
09-23-2012, 04:20 AM
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This is the description for Ten Forward

Introduce yourself, share fan art, fan fiction, role play, and make friends here! Romulan Ale is still prohibited.

Where does it say it has to be relevant to STO?
strictly by this, that thread covers none of these factors, they have already introduced themselves, there is no fan art, fan fiction or roleplaying and they are already friends. there may have been an instance of romulan ale being sneaked in as well . by that strict definition, that thread does no longer belong on the forum.

complain all you wish, but nothing can last forever and somethings are best left to die with as much respect as possible before they are gone for good. if you think i am not making sense, perhaps you can tell me where the original STF's have gone or the old forums? times change and so should this community, that means leaving a thread like that behind for artificial post counting.
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# 18
09-23-2012, 04:25 AM
I would just like to point out the most replied to posts in 10f have almost nothing to do with startrek and some date back to beta. This implies that the subject matter of these posts are indeed within the rules of the forum and that posts of this nature are among the most popular.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/fo...ort=replycount
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# 19
09-23-2012, 04:27 AM
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Well 10f was never dedicated to only things startrek its the only free form forum on this site and the only place where you can talk about what you want regardless of topic. I will also note the the lions share of topics are in some way startrek related and most of the dead posts are usualy dead end conversations to begin with. Alot of the posts from new people only ever contain the origional post and nothing else from that user.
No, you are right that it does not only need to be about Star Trek.

Topics on Robocop, Judge Dread, etc., they were all fun too. And fit fine in 10f, as it is a place where sci-fi fans tend to go.

And your opinion on other threads that have died is noted. But that is a matter of taste.

But the rules for 10f leave a lot open, but they also imply topics. They do not say: just put anything here. Or: 10f is a sort of waste-bin for topics that fit nowhere else. Moderators, by their own admission, rarely visit 10f.

And if you are saying: the problem of irrelevant and out-of-place threads is not that big. As I said, you might be right on that on, and I might be wrong. Maybe I'm seeing it as being bigger or more of a bother than it really is. But I still think it is good to have a discussion on it. After all, 10f is of all of us, so we can discuss on how we think it should look.
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# 20
09-23-2012, 04:39 AM
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No, you are right that it does not only need to be about Star Trek.

Topics on Robocop, Judge Dread, etc., they were all fun too. And fit fine in 10f, as it is a place where sci-fi fans tend to go.

And your opinion on other threads that have died is noted. But that is a matter of taste.

But the rules for 10f leave a lot open, but they also imply topics. They do not say: just put anything here. Or: 10f is a sort of waste-bin for topics that fit nowhere else. Moderators, by their own admission, rarely visit 10f.

And if you are saying: the problem of irrelevant and out-of-place threads is not that big. As I said, you might be right on that on, and I might be wrong. Maybe I'm seeing it as being bigger or more of a bother than it really is. But I still think it is good to have a discussion on it. After all, 10f is of all of us, so we can discuss on how we think it should look.
I believe it as actualy always meant to be exactly a waste bin. Every forum needs an pit for all the other irrelevant, useledd, or off topic things to go. And part of making friends is keeping them. So in that regard continuing a thread after you have made friends is a perfectly good way to keep a friend. Some of those people may not be in the same time zone or on at the same time of day, some may even wish to not disclose their actual identity to their gaming friends so 10f is a perfect place to grafiti a wall and say "wasup?".
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