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# 21
09-26-2012, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tebsu View Post
no they dont. the heavy cruiser is just awesome. and if you think you are turning too slow, there are always escorts to protect you
Since escorts get everything anyway so why don't they get rid of cruisers completely?

Cruisers are the iconic ships of star trek, not escorts.
For the devs, cruisers are good to make $$, because they are popular, but thats all.
Escorts are still the devs favorite ships. They get any advantage the devs can find, that just makes me sick.

Seeing Cruisers so disadvantaged and useless, shows how careles the devs are when it comes to ships. They just want their escorts get every advantage, why dont you just give them some more extra weapons power (+50) or some additional Cmdr. Enigneering BOFF?

Is it so hard to understand that in Star Trek cruisers are not just tanks, they are the biggest, and most powerful and dangerous ships. Escorts are just some small special ships that can generat high burst damage for a short time, but they aren't good on their own. Cruisers shouldn't need protection of escorts, it's the other way round.

Giving Escorts even more maneuverability shows the devs haven't understood anything about star trek at all. (or they just don't care, and want to boost their favourite ships even more)

Seriously i'm really infuriated about this.
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# 22
09-26-2012, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the continuous(?) fixes, keep it up!
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# 23
09-26-2012, 08:18 AM
Based on tomorrow's update to Holodeck, I put together a registry article on STOwiki.

Can I get confirmation they remembered to include the Tal'Kyr Support ship with the D'Kyr for the V.S.S. and VS options?
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# 24
09-26-2012, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by futurepastnow View Post
Should be N.S.P. That's what Vulcan ships use.
Like they would look that up...?

But yes, that too would be nice in addition to the new registry!!!
Captain
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# 25
09-26-2012, 09:18 AM
Whats up with the continual ******* buffing of only Fed ships in this **** game.
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# 26
09-26-2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
Whats up with the continual (cough) buffing of only Fed ships in this (cough) game.
Well the ships, (escort, fleet escort, and escort retrofit) and (aquarius) are all very flimsy federation ships, i thought the +1 turn rate was BECAUSE they are too flimsy? (just my best guess )
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# 27
09-26-2012, 09:33 AM
Nice patch, will be great to see more diversity.

Also, how are we gonna recognise the NPC Azura and Vov'wI from the player ones?
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
Since escorts get everything anyway so why don't they get rid of cruisers completely?

Cruisers are the iconic ships of star trek, not escorts.
For the devs, cruisers are good to make $$, because they are popular, but thats all.
Escorts are still the devs favorite ships. They get any advantage the devs can find, that just makes me sick.

Seeing Cruisers so disadvantaged and useless, shows how careles the devs are when it comes to ships. They just want their escorts get every advantage, why dont you just give them some more extra weapons power (+50) or some additional Cmdr. Enigneering BOFF?

Is it so hard to understand that in Star Trek cruisers are not just tanks, they are the biggest, and most powerful and dangerous ships. Escorts are just some small special ships that can generat high burst damage for a short time, but they aren't good on their own. Cruisers shouldn't need protection of escorts, it's the other way round.

Giving Escorts even more maneuverability shows the devs haven't understood anything about star trek at all. (or they just don't care, and want to boost their favourite ships even more)

Seriously i'm really infuriated about this.
Not saying escorts are underpowered or something, but I'm liking flying cruisers much more. Also, I perform better in them than I do in other ship types. Therefore I see no reason to consider them "disadvantaged and useless". Also, there's loads of them (on FED side, anyway). So I see no specific reason for the devs to focus on them.
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# 28
09-26-2012, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by zer0niusrex View Post
Systems:
  • Increased the turn rate of the Aquarius by 1.
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
what happened to the 20 turn rate? by how small it is, it should at least get 18. its only got 6 weapons, and is very fragile, and doesn't even have a cloak like a bop

Seriously, do you not want to sell the Aquarius to a broader audience than will likely buy it?

This ship is the worst of the worst, a turn rate of 20 would have made it serviceably bad but not laughably bad. Now it remains in the latter category.



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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers View Post
Whats up with the continual ******* buffing of only Fed ships in this **** game.
I'm not sure how anyone can look at the Aquarius and say that it does not need a buff with a straight face.


I'll just quote myself.

(Due to several ships having different shield mods than was actually listed, it's possible parts of this are inaccurate - please feel free to correct me.)


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Originally Posted by ussultimatum
I think you missed a few things.

1) Aquarius Base Turn = 17 vs. Hegh'ta Base Turn = 21
2) Hegh'ta gets innate Enhanced Battle Cloak vs. Aquarius gets Nothing
3) Aquarius Shield Mod = 0.66 (regular) & 0.72 (Fleet) vs. RA Hegh'ta Shield Mod 0.8
4) Hegh'ta completely universal BOFF stations including Commander & Lt Commander vs. Aquarius with Uni Lt & Ensign.
5) Hegh'ta 120k dilithium or free choice at level up vs. Aquarius at 2K Z points and T4 Fleet Shipyard.


The Aquarius is a Hegh'ta with no battle cloak and no special ability at all with even less shields than the Hegh'ta and FOUR POINTS lower base turn rate.

Battle cloak, which grants both an offense bonus as well as a defense tool to compensate for poor survivability is no where to be found on this ship, nor is any equivalent ability of comparable power.

EDIT: The only thing the Aquarius gets in comparison is 1 more console slot for the Fleet version and 1 ensign power.


The design of this ship fails on multiple levels, on top of that it costs 2k Z points for ONE character and requires a T4 Fleet ship yard!



I'm not saying this ship needs to have a Battle Cloak - but it certainly needs to have something so it isn't one of the worst examples of a noob trap available.

Last edited by ussultimatum; 09-26-2012 at 10:22 AM.
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# 29
09-26-2012, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
Seriously, do you not want to sell the Aquarius to a broader audience than will likely buy it?

This ship is the worst of the worst, a turn rate of 20 would have made it serviceably bad but not laughably bad. Now it remains in the latter category.





I'm not sure how anyone can look at the Aquarius and say that it does not need a buff with a straight face.


I'll just quote myself.

(Due to several ships having different shield mods than was actually listed, it's possible parts of this are inaccurate - please feel free to correct me.)







I'm not saying this ship needs to have a Battle Cloak - but it certainly needs to have something so it isn't one of the worst examples of a noob trap available.
What - and you are honestly going to tell me "with a straight-face" that the KDF ships are remotely balanced in comparison..............................
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# 30
09-26-2012, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by elandarksky View Post
Well the ships, (escort, fleet escort, and escort retrofit) and (aquarius) are all very flimsy federation ships, i thought the +1 turn rate was BECAUSE they are too flimsy? (just my best guess )
Yes. I can see how the KDF Fleet Escorts and Fleet BOP are grossly overpowered Goliaths that can withstand anything....
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