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# 41
09-27-2012, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
You mean how the KDF Fleet battle cruisers are completely superior to any of the Fed Fleet Cruisers?

Some ships made out really well in the fleet system, some ended up sucking.

The Aquarius is one of the ones that ended up sucking, badly.

Yet this terrible ship, getting a +1 turn rate was enough to prompt you to come into this thread with more "KDF unfairness" that we already have 2 to 3 sub-forums wholly dedicated to.




The only people who get this are either "noobs" who get suckered into it, or people who absolutely must have the Aquarius because they have the Ody.




Look at KDF Battle Cruisers, look at Fed Cruisers.


Poorly designed ships exist on both sides.

And just to nitpick, the KDF do not have Escorts. They have Raptors with built-in cloaking (and destroyers which are mostly well designed).

You can debate the merits of cloaking all you like, but they essential get something in return for any hull or shield reductions and the Pivot point issue isn't a systems team issue.

Yes I do come into threads with "more KDF unfairness", because every time a Fed bemoans something in this game the dev response is an immediate "Done". Shall I direct you to the twitter reply? When KDF ask, they get ignored.

I don't care about cruisers, never have.
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# 42
09-27-2012, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
They posted enough to realize that is the only way to post if you want a reply?



You are comparing the Escort-class with KDF raptors and raiders and if I post the Fleet Defiant it loses out anyway.



Qin might not be popular but its the better shielded and armored raptor with a tactical layout.



Of course not, the Aquarius is the Federation poor man BoP that fails at even that since it cannot cloak, I cannot understand why they bothered making it a Fleet ship and just not thrown it as a Zen-Shop T3 ship.

The Hoh'SuS however have more armor that the B'rel (same shield modifier) so it can take more abuse in exchange for lacking that "enhanced" Battlecloak, the stinker is the Ning'tao that have less hull that the T4 BoP.



Does not excuse on the fact you are attacking the fact they are fixing two ... well one ship by raising its turn rate.

Argue about the Qin and the Hoh'SuS problems, not "Feds have better ships so dont fix the other Fed ships".



Again, this is not a argument about the Escort-class being "fine" and not needing adjustments.
If you honestly believe that the KDF Fleet Raptors are better than the Defiant, you really need to step away from PvE for a while.

As for comparing the Hoh'SuS to the B'rel? To what end does that achieve?

Compare it to its proper Tactical counterpart: (Taken from STO wiki. If I left something off blame the other guy)

Tier I

Fleet Patrol Escort vs. Fleet Qin Heavy Raptor

Hull 34,100 vs. 36,300
Sld.Mod 0.99 vs. 0.92
Wps 4x 3x vs. 4x 3x
Turn 16 vs. 15 (on a broken pivot)
Console 4x Tac, 4x Eng, 2x Sci vs. 4x Tac, 4x Eng, 2x Sci

??? vs. Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit

vs. 31,350
vs. 0.92
vs. 4x 3x
vs. 17
vs. 4x Tac, 3x Eng, 3x Sci

Tier II

Fleet Escort Retrofit vs. Fleet Somraw Raptor Retrofit

Hull 30,360 vs. 34,650
Sld.Mod 0.77 vs. 0.71
Wps 4x 3x vs. 4x 3x
Turn 17 vs. 16
Console 4x Tac, 4x Eng, 2x Sci vs. 4x Tac, 3x Eng, 3x Sci

Tier III

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit Vs. ???

Hull 33,000
Sld.Mod 0.9
Wps 4x 3x
Turn 17
Console 5x Tac, 3x Eng, 2x Sci

Tier IV

Fleet Aquarius Destroyer vs Fleet Ning'tao Bird-of-Prey Retrofit

Hull 26,400 vs. 16,500
Sld.Mod 0.72 vs. 0.66
Wps 4x 2x vs. 4x 2x
Turn 17 vs. 22
Console 4x Tac, 4x Eng, 2x Sci vs. 3x Tac, 3x Eng, 3x Sci (1 less!)

Fleet Advanced Escort vs Fleet Hoh'SuS Bird-of-Prey

Hull 34,100 vs. 24,750
Sld.Mod 0.99 vs. 0.88
Wps 4x 3x vs. 4x 2x
Turn 17 vs. 21
Console 5x Tac, 2x Eng, 3x Sci vs. 4x Tac, 3x Eng, 3x Sci

Tier V

Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier Vs. ???

Hull 35,200
Sld.Mod 0.99
Wps 4x 3x
Turn 15
Console 4x Tac, 3x Eng, 3x Sci

Last edited by drkfrontiers; 09-27-2012 at 01:31 PM.
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# 43
09-27-2012, 02:50 PM
the Aquarius did need a turn buff, but that doesn't mean for a second that kdf escorts are equal to fed escorts. also, don't judge the fleet ships by the shield mod listed in the store, on all ships at tier 5 for the first time they are wrong. so ships like the fleet qin, fleet patrol, fleet star, they are all accurate. here the most up to date list on shield mods.

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=64
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# 44
09-27-2012, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the Aquarius did need a turn buff, but that doesn't mean for a second that kdf escorts are equal to fed escorts.

It also doesn't mean that the Fleet ships are all lopsided in favor of Feds, as the Battle Cruisers are clearly superior to Fed Cruiser equivalents (I know you recognize this, just adding it for other posters who seem to have a selective vision when it comes to Fleet ship balance).
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# 45
09-27-2012, 05:04 PM
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It also doesn't mean that the Fleet ships are all lopsided in favor of Feds, as the Battle Cruisers are clearly superior to Fed Cruiser equivalents (I know you recognize this, just adding it for other posters who seem to have a selective vision when it comes to Fleet ship balance).
the fleet vorcha is a lot of fun to kirk around in, but it deals less damage then an escort and doesn't even have close to the support potential of any other cruiser. fed cruisers are a bunch of stinkers really, their turn rate is artificially lower then it should be, and makes half of them nearly unplayable. but, in organized teams maximizing thier intended role they shine, as aposed to kdf cruisers. not counting the recluse, your average fed cruiser will be the best healer there is.

their tactical focused ships are frankly terrible. the only ones that mach or surpass the free fed escorts are the fleet somraw and scourge, but you got to pay $20 to get them. theres no MVAM, no escort carrier, each having station combinations you could only get on a bop before with none of the bop's HUGE disadvantages.

the battle cloak vs any normal cloak is pretty hugly overrated too. cloak wile in weapons range and being fired at and your just asking to die. if you escape and then cloak, there is not much difference between that and escaping, waiting for red alert to end and then cloaking.

as for sci ships on kdf, what sci ships? you can get 1, but its not free. not even carriers are an exclusive thing for them anymore, and the altrox is again a better support ship. better at its intended role.



fed have kdf ships beat hands down, in every ship type they have ships that can perform their intended roles more effectively. kdf cruisers at least are much more versatile and fun to kirk around in, but the farther you get from a cruisers intended role in them, the less effective as part of a team you are. a bunch of jack of all trade ships will get obliterated by a team of super focused ships working together.
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[*]The Vulcan ship can now choose V.S.S. registry Name prefix and a VS registry Number prefix.
When I changed the registry prefix on my D'Kyr it was successful. When I then attempted to do the same to my Tal'Kyr, it offered no such V.S.S./VS registry options; only U.S.S./NCC(or NX) were available.

Can we expect the Tal'Kyr to also be considered a "Vulcan ship" in the future and have this Vulcan prefix option?
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