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to me it seems +1 turnrate to the aquarius, escort refit, escort retrofit is way too low...

those ships should atleast be near a BOP. not 21, but 19 minimum. And the aquarius should be 21.
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# 2
09-27-2012, 08:22 AM
Good, then they can bump the QIN, Somraw, Fleet Qin, Fleet Somraw up to 19 to 20 as well.
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# 3
09-27-2012, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
to me it seems +1 turnrate to the aquarius, escort refit, escort retrofit is way too low...

those ships should atleast be near a BOP. not 21, but 19 minimum. And the aquarius should be 21.
The Fed Escorts are not BoPs, Hell the Aquarius technically isn't an escort either.

Fed Escorts = KDF Raptors

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Good, then they can bump the QIN, Somraw, Fleet Qin, Fleet Somraw up to 19 to 20 as well.
Which leads me to agree with the above to ^this
I'll stop kicking that horse when the bugs fixed. Until then as a paying consumer, I will voice my opinion.
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# 4
09-27-2012, 09:46 AM
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The Fed Escorts are not BoPs, Hell the Aquarius technically isn't an escort either.

Fed Escorts = KDF Raptors
If this were true then the fleet escort and aquarius would have much better shields and hull. For the fleet escort retrofit? Fine, thats what it is. But the aquarius is more like a BoP than everyone lets on. I was expecting 20 degrees a second, that was agreed upon. And even then it's not only under escort or raptor standards, but under even BoP standards. And lets not forget you people also get a nifty battle cloak. Not saying this ship should get one, just saying this ship needs to have something to get people too buy it.

Come on now, seriously. You KDF guys are always going on about how feds get everything, but you guys have the coolest toys.
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# 5
09-27-2012, 10:02 AM
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If this were true then the fleet escort and aquarius would have much better shields and hull. For the fleet escort retrofit? Fine, thats what it is. But the aquarius is more like a BoP than everyone lets on. I was expecting 20 degrees a second, that was agreed upon. And even then it's not only under escort or raptor standards, but under even BoP standards. And lets not forget you people also get a nifty battle cloak. Not saying this ship should get one, just saying this ship needs to have something to get people too buy it.

Come on now, seriously. You KDF guys are always going on about how feds get everything, but you guys have the coolest toys.
As someone else tested, the Fleet Escort has a MUCH higher actual shield rating than the Fleet Somraw Raptor

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...1&postcount=61

so...yeah the Fleet Saber has more shields and more turnrate while giving up far less HP for that than any BoP of which NONE can match the Saber's shields.
Yeah, really close to the BoP.
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# 6
09-27-2012, 05:16 PM
I see no reason why raptors shouldn't get a turnrate increase, atleast the qin should have 16 aswell.
i think they have too little shielding...especially the fleet somraw (0.71?? atleast a straight 8 or 8.5 would be in order)
And the fleet qin raptor could use a 5th tac console too imho.
the real joke on the KDF side is the fleet ning'tao BoP...i see no reason anybody would want to get that piece of crap. A second Ltdcmdr slot is not worth flying a ship that hard gimped for it.

But i can feel the KDF community...i use the guramba on 2 of my 3 KDF chars, and i havent felt the need to change that ship when looking at the other possibilities, just not worth it.

imho, most of the fleet ships should be buffed further...KDF and FED side. Some are just way better than others, that shouldn't be. All ships with "fleet" infront should be better than standard T5 ships for dilithium...in some cases that is not true. (fleet science retrofit as an example, or the ning'tao i meantioned above, and others)


PS: the aquarius could be the fed BoP (but a turnrate of 18 is way too low for that ship, 21/22 is the right amount, imho), the escort retrofit is far too much an escort, but 19 turnrate for that low hull rating would have been in order.
i mean a little over 30k HP...thats the lowest rating for fleet escorts or raptors.
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Last edited by baudl; 09-27-2012 at 05:28 PM.
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