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# 31
09-28-2012, 03:12 PM
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It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Tired of Wasting EC and Time trying to get Superior Romulan Operative BOffs? Here's a cheap and easy way to get them, with an almost 100% chance of success.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder.

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# 32
09-28-2012, 03:21 PM
I have to agree with Hereticknight on all counts, except washing ones hands of this thread, it's still salvageable and while the devs will never bother to read it (it's not made by an escort pilot for the benefit of escorts) it's still nice to see some people actually care about balance within the game
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# 33
09-28-2012, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by baudl View Post
wait what? you srsly believe that the pylons of your ship stop your beams from fireing? Rest assured, all 8 beams are fireing as intended on any design...the visuals are only cosmetic and do not allways represent the actualy fireing cycle.

hillarous actually that you brought that to the "attention" of the developement team...they surely had a good laugh.
I bet as usual without any numbers supporting that claim.

i sacrifice 5-6 boff slots for survival and heal abilities, thats whats keeping me alive not the borg set...to rely on the borg set is foolish. I use the borg set because it has more favourable stats than the other sets, the heals are just a bonus.

i'm also getting some mixed messages from you. First you say escort are generally too strong, then you claim you shoot them down on a regular bases, then they allways run away and escape defeat. You say escorts are so much superior to cruisers...yet you fail to pick one up yourself, and realize that escorts aren't that indestructable demons you think they are.

most (if not to say all) of the cruiser pilots in this thread do not use their cruiser because they think it is the best ship for their style of playing...they fly it because they like the looks. And rather to change into a ship they do not like (by the looks) they demand to beef up the ships they like best. ridiculous!
And proclaiming the cruiser is broken or not balanced, when in fact you just don't know how and when to use it is even more ridiculous.

as is this whole weekly "buff cruisers thread event" here on the forum.

all i can agree on, however, is a turnrate increase for cruisers...no ship should be lower than 8 in my opinion.
Just because I'm complaining don't mean I'm a crappy player. I can see the injustice even if I'm not the victim all the time. I can bring to the dev's attention to whatever I like, and I don't need your approval. Its that smug arrogant attitude, that comes with alot of escort players who blog on here, who likes trying to bully others because the game is easy for them, and only them. If your ship was nerfed tomorow, you would choke on that laugh and be crying like baby because your advantage would've evaporated. You have anything else to say?
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# 34
09-28-2012, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
I see a lot of "escort captains this" "cruiser captains that" do people really only pilot one type of ship? Even when I only had 1 level 50 I would switch from escort to cruiser and back on occaision for variety. You guys really can't understand both sides of this if you only pilot one or the other.

I think cruisers and escorts are all just fine, the balance is pretty good. You can even out damage escorts sometimes at the cost of some survivavbility in a cruiser if set up right, escpecially if you are in an Oddy, Bortasqu, or Fleet Vorcha.

Where the imbalance lies is the gear. MACO and 3pc borg is overpowered and this needs to be balanced. The 4pc borg set should be required for the shield heal, and the 3pc set should give the tractor beam thus forcing ships to choose between full borg, MACO, Omega or HG sets. Cruisers will still be able to tank good without MACO and 3pc borg, and escorts won't be able to quite as much anymore.
I know many choose to use their escorts to do the hard missions and matches. I know this because I have buddies that do it all the time. They use their escort over the cruiser in PVP. Why? Because you get more kills and escape being destroyed easily. They choose escorts over the cruisers in Elite STF's. Why? Because you can inflict more damage on the Borg, and escape its one shot kills by its "crit" torpedos. You can complete the mission alot faster and get the secondary objective when you are flying an escort. In a cruiser you can only hope to try to destroy the borgs with its beefed up hull and your weak powered beams that run out of power because of inefficient power ratings. You can only hope survive in a cruiser against an escort in PVP because he is able to inflict high critical damage through your shields and remain on you backside till you are destroyed with no threat from you. If you have half health and full shields, they can easily destroy you with a high crit volley inflicting 33K DPS or higher, no matter if you use RSP or Tac Team. I don't care how you look at it, that is not fair to non-escort pilots.

On the note about the Borg console/ MACO shield setup, I have called this to people's attention in many past threads but yet have been ignored. All successful PVP teams use it. I think its not fair to have players healing autonimously without him having to hit a power button. It has turned alot of these escorts into super tanks, pushing the imbalance further in their favor. I think its time for it to be nerfed like Aegis setup or inoperational without its' full 4 piece set.

Last edited by alexindcobra; 09-28-2012 at 06:30 PM.
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# 35
09-28-2012, 08:58 PM
I have 3 toons on each side, all 3 professions. I fly elite STFs with 500 ping typically and manage to do better than most people I tend to PuG with. I dislike MMO style pvp and avoid it. I consider myself to have mediocre player skill but high system mastery. I don't quite know everything but I do know quite a bit.

Cruisers and sci vessels are worthless in elite STFs
- Myth, they can still bring enough to the party to get the optional with ease

There is a role, aside from DPS, that is worthwhile in elite STFs
- Myth, if your ship can't tank something by itself, or be bothered to pack a single cc/team ability its a bad build

Cruisers can out-tank escorts
- Myth, boff abilities may allow this on a case by case basis but due to defense stat, focus on resist/sustain tanking, and a few other things an escort actually has more raw tank. Simply put if [acc] is the best damage stat what do you think is the best tank stat?

Any element of this game is well balanced
- Myth, cannon vs beam, eng capt. vs others, majority of boff abilities in game, etc. Its just that the game is so incredibly easy that most players don't even realize the huge gap between optimal and acceptable. What was that video of CSE clear time, 4 minutes full clear I think....compared to your average PuG....

Thats my 2 cents.
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# 36
09-29-2012, 02:09 AM
wow, you people really see yourself as the victim of some grave injustice, that the cruisers aer not the DD class in this game. This is the main concern here. That you can't fly your pretty ship the way you want and still be the best captain kirk around.

guess what, you are not the victim of some escort captain colaboration...you are the victim of your own narrowmindedness towards your your favourite cruisers. And opening another thread about "how bad cruisers are", next week doesn't make it true, or will change that for you. Only when this game reached the point where cruisers and escorts and sci ships are indestinguishable from each other we may see a drop in new "buff cruiser" posts.

@alexincobra: but i think you are a crappy player, because you complain constantly about things that do not exist/happen the way you observe them...therefore making you complain invalid.
in the past, you complained about: tac team...which turned out you had no idea what it actually does.
cruisers ofcourse...multiple times. The famous "it doesn't make since post"
your nebula/galaxy-r shield controversy...a subjective observation, where you didn't even use a similar setup or an adequat testing environment.
then the firerate of turrets, where you completely ignored that those have a 360 degree arc.
most other stuff you brought to the "atention" of the community is purely cosmetic, that shows where your focus in this game is "looks" thats why you use cruisers in the first place.
And thats the whole issue people here have with cruisers. They want their favourite ship to be the best ship. Call me ignorant for pointing that out, but it is the truth.


@hereticknight085: yeah, i'm not your opinion, therefore close minded...what ever. This post aren't looking for help...i can't tell you how to buid a cruiser thats worth something if you think yours is already the pinacle of cruiser builds. Apparently not, since you would not ask for a cruiser buff, or a super beam to compensate for your low dps.
i use a oddy starcruiser with my eng captain, and it is a blast to play it in stfs and sometimes even pvp. i enjoy certain cruisers as they are right now. Some are just crap, all galaxy variants for instance (they need slight boff adjustment, nothing more), but others are really fun to play with.
Another thing i fully agree with is a turnrate increase for cruisers. Atleast +1 to all cruisers (better +2) would make them even mor fun to play with, while not drastically change how they feel while playing.
Slight adjustments can make a great impact...no need for rethinking the whole ship classes.
Go pro or go home

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# 37
09-29-2012, 02:34 AM
ok well i must say i use the galor and regent both are cruisers and i do just fine VS escorts in dps i have been clocked at around 8.8k dps(burst) 7k dps over all using all beams so i don't see where you get this belief that cruisers can't do dps from. just use the ones that are designed to do dps. not the ones designed to tank. my fleet had pvp the other night and i took out one of our defiant guys every time in my galor. the last 2 weeks my galor has had top dps in the pvp matches. so i think its learn what each ship can do and what each ship can not.
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# 38
09-29-2012, 02:41 AM
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And thats the whole issue people here have with cruisers. They want their favourite ship to be the best ship. Call me ignorant for pointing that out, but it is the truth.
I don't care that my Excelsior isn't THE BEST for damage, I don't care that it's not THE BEST ship in the game, and I'm the first to admit that its not.

What I want is for it to do competent damage, I can tank all I like in a 1 to 1, I am very hard for a solo player to bring down whatever they happen to be flying (though I can laugh at other cruisers trying it, I barely notice most of them). My point being that the day before season 6 went live I had the best ship FOR ME I could tank ANYTHING because I was putting out sufficient damage to keep my enemies on their toes and if I maxed out I could force them to take a defensive stance at which point there was no recovering for them (without skill/help) at that point the game was fun, I'd played with 5 builds on the ship and settled on one that worked for me. The day after season 6 went live (with absolutely NO changes to by build) my damage figures were half what they were the day before and the rate at which I was killing enemies probably 1/4 of what it was before season 6.

So baudl, please explain how I am a crappy player with no idea of how to build my ship or how to play the game etc, etc.
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# 39
09-29-2012, 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by adamkafei View Post
I don't care that my Excelsior isn't THE BEST for damage, I don't care that it's not THE BEST ship in the game, and I'm the first to admit that its not.

What I want is for it to do competent damage, I can tank all I like in a 1 to 1, I am very hard for a solo player to bring down whatever they happen to be flying (though I can laugh at other cruisers trying it, I barely notice most of them). My point being that the day before season 6 went live I had the best ship FOR ME I could tank ANYTHING because I was putting out sufficient damage to keep my enemies on their toes and if I maxed out I could force them to take a defensive stance at which point there was no recovering for them (without skill/help) at that point the game was fun, I'd played with 5 builds on the ship and settled on one that worked for me. The day after season 6 went live (with absolutely NO changes to by build) my damage figures were half what they were the day before and the rate at which I was killing enemies probably 1/4 of what it was before season 6.

So baudl, please explain how I am a crappy player with no idea of how to build my ship or how to play the game etc, etc.
i don't know, i didn't experiance any drop in my cruiser. and the patchnotes of season 6 do not suggest any nerf or change. (although that doesn't mean much)
i use single cannons and turrets, and my dps is somewhere around 5.5k (thats counting all the weapons dps when in combat or orbiting earth)
i can't answere your question since i don't know what the cause for your drop in dps was...mine didn't change over night.
Go pro or go home

Last edited by baudl; 09-29-2012 at 02:59 AM.
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# 40
09-29-2012, 02:59 AM
As it happens I run a 6 beam Excelsior with an engineer at the helm and if she were restored to what she was before season 6 it would be perfect for me, I would have 0 issues with ship combat in the game, I like that escorts have higher damage than me, I like the idea that (back then) I could be in a 3 man team (Tac+escort, me and sci+sci ship) and I could make a noticeable contribution to the damage figures WHILE healing the others and/or damage sponging.

I don't want the GAMES perfect cruiser build, I wan MY perfect cruiser build (which I found) and I want it RETURNED to it's former usefulness.

As a casual player, is that really too much to ask?
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