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# 51
06-15-2009, 12:20 AM
I was so happy to hear that the new Star Trek movie is pretty much being left alone as far as STO goes. While it was an interesting movie to watch, and fun to take memories home of, it was, in no way, a part of the Star Trek universe as I see it. The ship looked too advanced for the timeline, the events seemed a bit wonky, and I prefer the unverse as STO is taking it forward... Thanks for making this distinction Cryptic. It is much appreciated.
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# 52
06-15-2009, 07:46 AM
Nice graphic, lets hope this helps those that are confused.
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# 53
06-15-2009, 08:49 AM
That time line picture doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

First, this means that there always existed a starship named USS Kelvin.
James T. Kirk wasn't born on the Kelvin, he was born on Earth in Iowa, but I'm going to assume that the attack on the ship probably made Wynona Kirk go into premature labor. =/

If Nero went back into our OWN Prime Universe, then he did create an alternate time line, BUT this would have caused our Prime Universe to be re-written and never exist.

THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON WHY TEMPORAL AGENTS EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
If you could just go back in time and screw up whatever you'd like because its all gonna be a "different reality" anyway, then why is Starfleet and Temporal agents so bent on not disturbing the time line!?

Why? BECAUSE WE IN THE PRIME UNIVERSE WOULD CEASE TO EXIST!

DS9 "Trials and Trib-ulations" where the Defiant went back in time because Arne Darvin wanted to kill Kirk.
According to ST:O devs, why would Sisco and crew even bother saving this Kirk??
By going back in time, the Defiant created an "alternate reality". Who cares if this Kirk dies? Their Kirk back in the Prime Universe still exists.

I'm sorry, but this time line provided by ST:O is WRONG.

The devs also talk about the TNG episode "Parallels" but they have taken it out of context.
Data says that all the infinite number of possible outcomes of all events that CAN happen, DO happen in alternate quantum realities.
Like, lets say you come to a fork in a road and you go left. In an alternate quantum reality, you would go right instead. In another quantum reality, you might just turn around and go back!
Lets go back to you taking that first left on the road. If someone came back in time and forced you to go down a 3rd unseen path, then that person just changed your future of taking a left... a future which now, no longer exists.

According to the Dev's timeline, Nero and crew went back in time to our Prime Universe and an alternate reality was created. This means that the Prime Universe no longer exists and was replaced by this new alternate timeline, a time where Kirk was not born on Earth, where the Constitution-class Enterprise was way advanced and Vulcan no longer exists.

Well, Elta, then how does the new Star Trek movie relate to the universe you may ask?


...and you're gonna tell us... 9_9

The black hole that pulled in Nero and Spock did make them go back in time.... of a quantum reality... what Data said in the TNG episode "Parrallels".

To put it in REALLY simple tearms, its like they were pulled into the Mirror Universe. A quantum reality that follows our own Prime Universe but does not affect it.

I bring back once again, a time chart that was posted by someone else but I modified.

Time Line Chart

Of course, what I say isn't going to matter because the Devs have posted and everyone will follow that =(
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# 54
06-15-2009, 09:51 AM
Strictly speaking, the quantum reality that Spock and Nero ended up in would have been created the moment that they got sucked into the black hole; but the idea that they travelled back to 2233 in a universe that didn't exist until 2387 just doesn't feel very intuitive.

Since the new universe would have been identical to the old one right up until the Kelvin detected Nero's ship, Cryptic's illustration works well enough. After all, the whole point is to make it easy to understand what happened.
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# 55
06-15-2009, 10:16 AM
Maybe this is much easier to me to understand than a few of the posters in this thread due to my comic book reading of Marvel and DC, following of Doctor Who from the BBC, Red Dwarf, and other science fiction shows that dealt with alternate realities and time travel.

In fact, however, we are actually at three timelines that have been extensively (or will be extensively) developed for the Star Trek franchise. Do not forget the Mirror Universe is also an alternate timeline running in parallel with the 'prime' timeline.

By the way, if you ever watched the History Channel show on Star Trek technology, warp is theorized to be possible if such a state of parallel universes does exist, so there is a scientific basis to it all.

As to the person pointing out Enterprise is consistent between Prime and Abrams, that is true and is reflected on the graphic though the text may not quite match up.
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# 56
06-15-2009, 10:21 AM
More interessting instead of the timeline is the year 2399 on the picture.

No really, the idea is good and the explanation is good as well. Some mistakes (look at Elta_and_Zletha) but the whole thing is nice.
I missed that. Good job to keep the franchise go on.
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# 57
06-15-2009, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCho85 View Post
More interessting instead of the timeline is the year 2399 on the picture.
Klingon/Federation Peace treaty disolves......Very interesting. It's nice to see it confirmed
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# 58
06-15-2009, 01:56 PM
In the trek version of MWI, the new timeline was created when Nero fired on and destroyed the Kelvin.
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# 59
06-15-2009, 11:18 PM
But I want a STO based on the movie universe. It's so much cooler to me.
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# 60
06-16-2009, 08:53 AM
Seriously? After all the history that was created within the current universe... you would really go back to a universe where Vulcan was destroyed and cataclysm drove events? All the progress made in the current universe makes thigns exciting in what they are... not to mention we lose foundational events that drove the evolution of the Federation and other cultural and societal relationships. While some may enjoy the warped view of Star Trek as provided in the current movie, I prefer the Star Trek we all know and have come to love... and would have to agree with Zelta's timeline graphic. It's an alternate timeline within a paralell universe... it's a possibility given breath but beating with a second heart. There is every possibility that the Caelar and the Borg never existed in this new timeline in this alternate universe... and STO without the Borg, well, that just doens't interest me.
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