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# 11
10-03-2012, 07:27 AM
Thanks for all your comments.

I'd rather not spend more zen and stick with what I've bought already, so really a toss up between the tactical Odyssey and the Regent.

After reading everything, if I were to use the tactical Odyssey, I'd probably go for using all 10 consoles, and dump the useless Aquarius - so I would still be gaining an extra console slot. And the positive shield modifier. (But, admittedly, I'd probably end up putting an RCS in the extra slot, that I wouldn't need in the Regent)

Having said that - As scbypwr pointed out, the way the game has been changed, DPS is king now, and the Regent has some serious teeth, one could even argue it has more than than an Excelsior if the 'celsior is in beam configuration, because of the +10 weapons power.

I'm leaning toward the Regent now, but I just don't see how to fit a reasonable extend shields into the Boff layout without losing a copy of EptS3 - or have escorts become less dependent these days on that type of support?

One last question: - Can the Regent be configured so that it can turn fast enough to utilise dual beam banks?

Or I could always go old school and go for the Excelsior!
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# 12
10-03-2012, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by weirdtrekie30 View Post
Thanks for all your comments.

I'd rather not spend more zen and stick with what I've bought already, so really a toss up between the tactical Odyssey and the Regent.

After reading everything, if I were to use the tactical Odyssey, I'd probably go for using all 10 consoles, and dump the useless Aquarius - so I would still be gaining an extra console slot. And the positive shield modifier. (But, admittedly, I'd probably end up putting an RCS in the extra slot, that I wouldn't need in the Regent)

Having said that - As scbypwr pointed out, the way the game has been changed, DPS is king now, and the Regent has some serious teeth, one could even argue it has more than than an Excelsior if the 'celsior is in beam configuration, because of the +10 weapons power.

I'm leaning toward the Regent now, but I just don't see how to fit a reasonable extend shields into the Boff layout without losing a copy of EptS3 - or have escorts become less dependent these days on that type of support?

One last question: - Can the Regent be configured so that it can turn fast enough to utilise dual beam banks?

Or I could always go old school and go for the Excelsior!
The current non-Odyssey Fed cruisers run along a nice spectrum. With this spectrum, the Regent is on the extreme tac side, and the Excelsior-R is between the Assault Cruiser and the Regent, balanced between extreme balance, and offensive abilities.

If you want to push for as hard of a hitter as you can, the Regent is your best bet. However, if you want a ship that's going to be concentrated on the forward attack arc, you WILL need RCS consoles - I'd recommend two if you're dying for high turn rate. Also note you may have to shift a few points of power into engines directly, and it would help if you had the Borg engine (+5 engine power) or another engine that helps with turn rate (can't recommend one off the top of my head, unfortunately).

That said I think it should function well in that situation. But you may also be losing out as the real beauty of the wide-angle qtorp launcher is the ability to add torpedoes into your broadside mix. Just keep that in mind.

If you bring the Tactical Odyssey back on the table, it can actually outgun the Regent in terms of BOff abilities if you use tac in the Lt. Cmdr slot on the Odyssey, unless you use the universal slot on the Regent for a tac (NOT smart unless you've got a good supporting team or you want to commit suicide and take 800 crew members with you). If both use their full universal BOff layouts for tactical, you get a virtually identical setup for tactical BOffs, 6 powers each.

The Excelsior does have a weakness in its BOff setup - the ensign Eng slot is almost useless. I've gone in several engagements where I didn't even have an officer slotted in and I didn't even realize that I didn't until I looked later. This is a complaint that Gal-R fans have oft lamented.

In terms of movement and endurance, here are a few things that might help you.

I've got about 6-7 ranks in all relevant stats for this, and 2 field generators, Mk XI blue, as well as the MACO Mk XI shield and the Borg engines and deflector, full Odyssey set (on the Ody), and two neutronium Mk XII green (equivalent to Mk XI blue). This is a tactical toon with Accurate and Elusive space traits.

For the Odyssey (again, tactical hull), I have the full Odyssey set.

On the Regent and Excelsior-R, I have one Mk XI blue RCS console, and one engine injector (Mk XII green, +3.5 engine power) that will be replaced with a Borg console (I'll shunt around power at that point).

Power settings were 100 weapons, 50 shields, 25 engines, 25 aux for all tests, although with bonuses it was different (and was above 50 at all times due to 6 ranks in engine performance, warp core efficiency and warp core potential, in addition to the injector, ship bonuses where they existed, and the Borg engine). Also note that I have 6 ranks in Impulse Thrusters.

Tactical Odyssey Connected:
Hull: 56,240
Shields: 12,307/facing
Turn rate: 9.3 deg/sec
Inertia: 20

Tactical Odyssey (Aquarius pet only)
Hull: 24,810
Shields: ???

Tactical Odyssey (Saucer pet only)
Hull: 31,013
Shields: ???

Tactical Odyssey (Separated)
Hull: 48,905
Shields: 11,721/facing
Turn rate: 17.3 deg/sec
Inertia: 50

Regent:
Hull: 52,223
Shields: 10,702/facing
Turn rate: 12.3 deg/sec (is 12.1 deg/sec without injector console)
Inertia: 30

Excelsior-R
Hull: 52,223
Shields: 10,702/facing
Turn rate: 14.8 deg/sec (is 14.6 deg/sec without injector console)
Inertia: 40

In terms of support, the Regent is not that great of a support ship. That's something that's just fundamental to it's nature. If you must have a shield booster, then I would suggest either ES1 (which I believe is a Lt. Engineering ability), or you might consider Transfer Shield Strength in one of your Science slots. Also, if you're an absolute fan of Extend Shields, you can toss that in on the Commander level (I think), although myself, I'd put A2SIF3 in there and rotate it.

One thing to note is that the Regent is largely a "side grade" to the conventional Assault Cruiser - some of the trade-offs are pretty direct, and this is one of them, but it is very definitely tactically slanted - it's primary role in battle will usually be pouring on constant, direct pressure while absorbing damage.

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