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# 21
10-10-2012, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rgrgeom View Post
i don't think the defiant needs battle cloak although it would be good but i really don't use it very much and since pvp is useless there's no real need. i am annoyed about the fact that the kdf do get a battle cloak on their 1000 day vet reward. personally i would rather have theres than the chimera. ours looks like crap and to add insult to injury the kdf still get a battle cloak with it. bit of a piss take. im not saying the feds necessarily need a cloak but balance things a little at least
The kdf ship sacrificed shield mod for the cloak. There is balance.
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# 22
10-10-2012, 10:15 AM
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Let's not pretend this is about anything but Klingon players' need to feel special by having a toy the Feds can't play with.

What are you talking about. The ships are virtually identical.

The kdf version comes with a cloak which is a cannon archetype of ship for the Klingon Empire.

The federation ship got more shields, and quite frankly more firepower that the factions history or backstory warrants.

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# 23
10-10-2012, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by leeandrew80 View Post
I agree, the Defiant NEEDS a battle cloak. The reason it didn't get one so far was because of balancing for both factions. To be honest, I doubt the Defiant getting a BC will be that much of a major issue. Considering most players in this game only play PvE, why not give that little ship what it deserves? Besides from the fact that in Trek any ship with a cloak could use it when ever... :-)
this game is the most unbalanced game ever, the klingons are WAY more overpowered than the feds, the dev's seem to be giving klinks tech that only the romulans would use, i mean consoles that take EVERY system offline for like 6-10 sec's hmmm vry unfair especially in pvp, and now they have a escort with battle cloak, this is why im NEVER doing pvp vs klinks again and that includes kerrat, not untill the game is truly balanced and stop over powering the klinks with stupid disable consoles, and no im not a classic klink hater as i have a max level klink that i play with all the time, and no i dont have any of the consoles as i dont have any of the klink c-store ships
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# 24
10-10-2012, 10:53 AM
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this game is the most unbalanced game ever, the klingons are WAY more overpowered than the feds, the dev's seem to be giving klinks tech that only the romulans would use, i mean consoles that take EVERY system offline for like 6-10 sec's hmmm vry unfair especially in pvp, and now they have a escort with battle cloak, this is why im NEVER doing pvp vs klinks again and that includes kerrat, not untill the game is truly balanced and stop over powering the klinks with stupid disable consoles, and no im not a classic klink hater as i have a max level klink that i play with all the time, and no i dont have any of the consoles as i dont have any of the klink c-store ships
What console that takes every system offline?

It cant be the Plasmonic leech as it only drains 16 points a system max from the target and only if the target is completely unspecced to resist drain. If the taget is specced to resist drain then the PL only drains about 5 points a system.
The Plasmonic leech was nerfed since the last you played I believe.
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# 25
10-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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Ok than do a PVP match were you go against 10 Klingon ships that all have a cloak and all are either consiting of Fleet Vor'cha's B'rel's and Fleet Quin Heavy Raptors and each of them is getting a +15% to their damage.
OK.
As long as you take your Defiant against 10 fed ships consisting of Fleet Cruisers, Fleet Science vessels, Fed Carriers (don"t forget the TB pets) and Fleet Defiants (which also get +15% damage from decloaking) and attempt to decloak and alpha strike any of them without dying afterwards.

If you are having issues holding off the KDF attack in PvP then I suggest you are being out played and your fed team of the moment needs to work together better.

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I play both sides FED and KDF and the Klingons can overun a FED fleet easily, for the FED's it is much harder.
Not from what I have seen in PvP. When the feds work together the greatly increase the chance to win and often roll the KDF in the process.

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And now the KDF have access to an Escort with a battle cloak, that is tougher than the C-Store and the Fleet version of the Defiant.
Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
Hull 33,000
Shield Modifier 0.9
weapons:
Fore :4
Aft: 3
Crew: 50
consoles:
tactical: 5
engineer: 3
science: 2
devices: 2
turnrate: 17

versus

Hull Strength: 34,500
Shield Modifier: 0.833
Crew: 750
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 14 degrees per second


Wow, that extra 1500 Hull makes us OP? doubtful.
Maybe its the -3 points difference in turnrate making the GrandVet reward ship slower than a Defiant?
It must be that -1 to tactical slots. The KDF GV ship only has 4. Thats why the GrandVet ship is OP.

The only way the KDF GV ship is tougher than a Defiant is if the player uses the LTC for Engineering and flies it like a cruiser. You are putting way too much into the battle cloak being OP.
Otherwise the Defiant is still the biggest escort alpha strike heavy hitter and escort tanker in the game.
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# 26
10-10-2012, 11:48 AM
You forgot the highter shield mod on the Fleet-Defiant.
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# 27
10-10-2012, 11:51 AM
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With the new 1000 day Vet ships the Klingons got now an escort with a battle cloak, I think it is time that also the Defiant get's a battle cloak. Otherwise the Federation is completly loosing out against the Klingons, that can mount on every ship Cannons, and 95% of their ships have a cloak, battle cloak or advanced battle cloak.
I fly a Defiant and even though it'd benefit me, I think its important that KDF has exclusive use of battle cloak. They do have a few centuries more experience on cloaking technology.
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# 28
10-10-2012, 12:30 PM
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OK.
As long as you take your Defiant against 10 fed ships consisting of Fleet Cruisers, Fleet Science vessels, Fed Carriers (don"t forget the TB pets) and Fleet Defiants (which also get +15% damage from decloaking) and attempt to decloak and alpha strike any of them without dying afterwards.

If you are having issues holding off the KDF attack in PvP then I suggest you are being out played and your fed team of the moment needs to work together better.


Not from what I have seen in PvP. When the feds work together the greatly increase the chance to win and often roll the KDF in the process.



Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
Hull 33,000
Shield Modifier 0.9
weapons:
Fore :4
Aft: 3
Crew: 50
consoles:
tactical: 5
engineer: 3
science: 2
devices: 2
turnrate: 17

versus

Hull Strength: 34,500
Shield Modifier: 0.833
Crew: 750
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 14 degrees per second


Wow, that extra 1500 Hull makes us OP? doubtful.
Maybe its the -3 points difference in turnrate making the GrandVet reward ship slower than a Defiant?
It must be that -1 to tactical slots. The KDF GV ship only has 4. Thats why the GrandVet ship is OP.

The only way the KDF GV ship is tougher than a Defiant is if the player uses the LTC for Engineering and flies it like a cruiser. You are putting way too much into the battle cloak being OP.
Otherwise the Defiant is still the biggest escort alpha strike heavy hitter and escort tanker in the game.
Yeah, it's funny as hell listening to Feddies whine about the battlecloak. All it does is enable a slightly easier escape. . .and in all honesty, you could use the Photonic Displacement console to have a fairly effective escape route, or you could stock up on Evasive conn doffs and keep out of people's reach. The battlecloak is nowhere near 'OP'. It's useful, that's all. The Enhanced Battlecloak on a B'rel is a thing of beauty, and good players know how to use every bit of that advantage to harass and even kill enemies from cloak.
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# 29
10-10-2012, 01:00 PM
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Yeah, it's funny as hell listening to Feddies whine about the battlecloak. All it does is enable a slightly easier escape. . .and in all honesty, you could use the Photonic Displacement console to have a fairly effective escape route, or you could stock up on Evasive conn doffs and keep out of people's reach. The battlecloak is nowhere near 'OP'. It's useful, that's all.
Exactly!! It helps one flee from a fight easier. If one is already fleeing from a fight then one was losing said fight the battle cloak doesn't change that it just keeps me from dying becuase I can run hide quicker.
So in the grand scheme of things my new GV destroyer is gonna be able to run from a fight as easily as a BoP. Big deal.
How the hell is that OP?



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The Enhanced Battlecloak on a B'rel is a thing of beauty, and good players know how to use every bit of that advantage to harass and even kill enemies from cloak.
Now this is the truth and had they put the EBC on any ship but the fleet ning'toa I would have complained as loudly as anyone.
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# 30
10-10-2012, 02:10 PM
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With the new 1000 day Vet ships the Klingons got now an escort with a battle cloak, I think it is time that also the Defiant get's a battle cloak. Otherwise the Federation is completly loosing out against the Klingons, that can mount on every ship Cannons, and 95% of their ships have a cloak, battle cloak or advanced battle cloak.
To the above.

NO.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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