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# 11
10-10-2012, 05:43 AM
lianthelia- There are at least 2. Typhoon class and the Jupiter class.

These are the 2 main NPC ships that I want to fly.

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# 12
10-10-2012, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ccarmichael07 View Post
Tons?

I can only think of 2.

Constellation (and it's subsequent Cheyenne successor)
Prometheus
You're seriously counting the Cheyenne and the Constellation as 1?
I mean if you do that you can count just about every ship with two nacelles as one ship design.

Cheyenne:

http://www.scapecraft.us/stdarkfate/...2CheyenneM.jpg

http://alunowen.org/sfmuk/components...1322458554.jpg

Constellation:

http://evilgenius180.files.wordpress..._orbit_001.jpg

http://www.klingon-empire.org/photop...onstellatn.gif

I mean..yeah totally the same ship.
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# 13
10-10-2012, 06:12 AM
give a man a pony, he'll complain that its not Rainbow Dash. Eh, its an awesome ship that does awesome things and I love it, 4 nacelles don't hurt my eyes nearly as much as the Galaxy X's 3rd nacelle so its a non issue, thanks for the heavy destroyers cryptic!
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# 14
10-10-2012, 09:56 AM
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You're seriously counting the Cheyenne and the Constellation as 1?
I mean if you do that you can count just about every ship with two nacelles as one ship design.

Cheyenne:

http://www.scapecraft.us/stdarkfate/...2CheyenneM.jpg

http://alunowen.org/sfmuk/components...1322458554.jpg

Constellation:

http://evilgenius180.files.wordpress..._orbit_001.jpg

http://www.klingon-empire.org/photop...onstellatn.gif

I mean..yeah totally the same ship.
I do count it as 1 ship, because they aren't unique designs. The Constellation and the Cheyenne are nearly identical, with the exception that one is kitbashed from Connie Refit parts, while the other is kitbashed from Galaxy parts.
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# 15
10-10-2012, 10:01 AM
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I do count it as 1 ship, because they aren't unique designs. The Constellation and the Cheyenne are nearly identical, with the exception that one is kitbashed from Connie Refit parts, while the other is kitbashed from Galaxy parts.
Does this mean you count the Miranda and Nebula as one ship too?
Because one was made out of Connie reft parts and the other out of Galaxy parts.
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# 16
10-10-2012, 10:17 AM
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Does this mean you count the Miranda and Nebula as one ship too?
Because one was made out of Connie reft parts and the other out of Galaxy parts.
No I don't because the Nebula has 2 major differences.

1. It has the Galaxy Class primary hull underneath it. The Miranda has no primary hull. The nacelles attach directly to the saucer.

2. The Nebula is not a "next in line" design revision and update to the Miranda. It was instead designed as a "variant" of the Galaxy. The Cheyenne, visually might look more Galaxy than Constitution in terms of progression, but it's functional design is nearly identical, just a modernization of the original Constellation design.
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# 17
10-10-2012, 10:36 AM
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No I don't because the Nebula has 2 major differences.

1. It has the Galaxy Class primary hull underneath it.
No it doesn't, it has a completely custom-designed underside hull.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...bulaKlasse.jpg

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The Miranda has no primary hull. The nacelles attach directly to the saucer.
And the Constallation is a one-piece ship while the Cheyenne was set up so it can seperate so it is also technically a ship with two hulls.

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2. The Nebula is not a "next in line" design revision and update to the Miranda. It was instead designed as a "variant" of the Galaxy.
How do you kow that?
I couldn't find that information in any canon source.

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The Cheyenne, visually might look more Galaxy than Constitution in terms of progression, but it's functional design is nearly identical, just a modernization of the original Constellation design.
If you consider these ships to be basically one design because they are "next in line" (again somathing I could not find any evidence of anywhere) and their functional design is nearly identical as you put it, does this mean you see the Constitution refit, the Excelsior, the Ambassador, Galaxy and Sovereign as one design as well?
Because the exact same criteria also fit them.

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# 18
10-10-2012, 10:46 AM
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From what I have seen from screenshots, it seems to have two big nacelles in sector space and four nacelles in a space combat map. I guess the nacelle pylons are retractable?
The nacelle pairs squeeze together and extend in sector space, or when the ship goes into warp. Makes each pair look like one big nacelle. Really interesting style.

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# 19
10-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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No it doesn't, it has a completely custom-designed underside hull.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...bulaKlasse.jpg
Actually, it is the same primary hull.

http://pokethatfish.com/images/galaxyexterior.jpg

From the foreward point at the deflector dish to the aft point where the nacelle struts begin, the hull is identical.

This from Memory Alpha:

Studio models

First appearing as prototype kit-bash studio model in the debris field of "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II", the design of the Nebula-class was upgraded to a full worthy studio model, to represent a major class of starship. As Michael Okuda explains on Doug Drexler's blog, "The original concept for the Nebula-class ship was to develop a design that was in the style that Andy Probert had so brilliantly established for the Enterprise-D. (You may recall that every other Federation starship in early TNG episodes was made with recycled movie ships.) Our initial hope was that Greg could use the same molds from the 4' Enterprise-D, but that he could add a bigger bridge and give it bigger windows. The idea was to suggest that this ship was a contemporary of the E-D, but it was a smaller vessel."


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And the Constallation is a one-piece ship while the Cheyenne was set up so it can seperate so it is also technically a ship with two hulls.
While the Cheyenne was developed so it could seperate, there is no evidence that the Constellation couldn't seperate. This follows the vein of "unspoken abilities" that the Constitution Class Enterprise had, as the 2006 Ships of the Line book speaks of the Constitution Class being able to detonate explosives to seperate the saucer if necessary, even though we never saw this on screen.

Additionally, Michael Okuda verifies that the intent of the Cheyenne was to mimic the Constellation, which would give it an implied design lineage.

From Memory Alpha:

Okuda commented,"I think the fourth was the Cheyenne-class U.S.S. Ahwahnee. (Again, without my notes, I'm not entirely sure). This was a scaled-down Galaxy saucer with four nacelles, arranged in a manner similar to the Constellation.

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How do you kow that?
I couldn't find that information in any canon source.
From Memory Alpha:

The Nebula-class shared a similar design lineage with its larger Galaxy-class counterpart. (TNG: "The Wounded", etc.)

It is unknown, precisely, which class spawned the other, or if they were designed simultaneously. The only chronological evidence that exists can be determined by a comparison of dedication plaques, which reveals that the Nebula-class Phoenix was commissioned (on stardate 40250.5) just a short time before the launch (stardate 40759.5) of the Galaxy-class USS Enterprise-D.


This entirely suggests that the Nebula was designed, in the kitbash phase, to be a variant of the Galaxy class, only smaller. Though, we know from TV appearances that the Nebula was not that much smaller than the Galaxy, as evidenced by the scene where a Nebula is docked at DS9, as well as the scene from Generations where a Nebula is flying side-by-side with an Oberth and Miranda.

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If you consider these ships to be basically one design because they are "next in line" (again somathing I could not find any evidence of anywhere) and their functional design is nearly identical as you put it, does this mean you see the Constitution refit, the Excelsior, the Ambassador, Galaxy and Sovereign as one design as well?
Because the exact same criteria also fit them.
While each of the "Enterprise" classes were "next in line" for the flagship, that doesn't make them "next in line" in terms of design lineage.

3 of the Enterprises could be considered "next in line" in terms of design lineage. The Excelsior-Ambassador-Galaxy share enough common design components to make that leap, however there are substantial differences as well, which make the ships unique enough to be entirely new classes. Also, beyond the Constitution Refit, there was a substantial change in size, as well as mission profile, thereby breaking the design lineage.

So no, just because the listed classes are successors of the original Constitution, I do not consider them 1 vessel class.
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