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# 41
10-10-2012, 06:19 PM
The battle cloak is only used on the BoP and I hardly use my cloak on my Defiant and this would but the KDF at a disadvantage.
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# 42
10-10-2012, 07:21 PM
If the feration and the Klingons are at war, and the Romulans are in disarray, why wouldn't the federation install cloaks in all their ships?

At least in the combat ships like the defiant.

Give us the option so we can level the PvP playing field.
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# 43
10-10-2012, 07:27 PM
I don't think you read any of the posts here. Level the playing field? Are you frakkin retarded? What part about 5 tac consoles, great turn, and good hull and defensive abilities is not computing? If you give it a battlecloak, that will COMPLETELY break the Defiant.

I love the ship, but I want her to be fair, not broken.
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# 44
10-10-2012, 07:34 PM
I don't see how it would break the ship. That's stupid. I don't see why the Klingons can have it but the defiant or galaxy x can't.

We are only talking about 2 ships.
Not everyone uses them anyway.

It probably won't happen but I wish it would. Why should only Klingons have it?

And btw, there is no need for name calling ******!
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# 45
10-10-2012, 08:11 PM
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I don't see how it would break the ship. That's stupid. I don't see why the Klingons can have it but the defiant or galaxy x can't.

We are only talking about 2 ships.
Not everyone uses them anyway.

It probably won't happen but I wish it would. Why should only Klingons have it?

And btw, there is no need for name calling ******!
Heh... Wow... You don't see how it would break the ship. You do realize the defiant is among the most powerful if not the most powerful federation escort there is right? And a decloaking alpha strike (plus all the additional appropriate buffs and debuffs) from one of them can vaporize an oddy operations cruiser running full field generators and neutronium with maxed out tanking skills that has also activated the appropriate defensive buffs right?

The klingons can have battle cloak for one very simple reason. They started with cloaking technology. It's their thing. The original defiant cloak was a ROMULAN cloaking device. And the only battle cloak the romulans have is the scimitar class dreadnaught, and that's actually a REMAN device. And it's a perfect, I say again PERFECT cloak.

Soooo that being the case, why would the federation ever have access to such a cloaking device? Even in canon, they never were able to get their hands on a klingon cloaking device. So there is no reason as to why the feds would ever have one. And if you gave the defiant the battle cloak, that would be broken. Seriously broken. The only godsend is you can burst the defiant down if it makes a mistake. But that would have to be a serious mistake. If you gave the ship a battle cloak, it would be able to get away even more easily.

But think about it. This ship is almost perfect. It's fast, crazy powerful, very very VERY maneuverable, and can be quite tanky as is. Allow me to give you its exact stats.

Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit

Hull Points: 33,000
Shield Modifier: 0.9
Fore Weapons: 4 (DHC enabled)
Rear Weapons: 3
Crew: 50
BOff Setup: Ensign Tactical, LtCmdr Tactical, Cmdr Tactical, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Science
Device Slots: 2
Console Setup: 5 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science
Base Turn Rate: 17
+15 Bonus Power to Weapons

*Additional Notes:
This ship can use the Universal Cloaking Module acquired from the Tactical Escort Retrofit
Due to the small size of the sprite, this ships actual turn rate is much higher

Looking at the above statistics, the only weakness I see is the non-universal ensign, which isn't too big of a problem. But that ship has massive firepower capability, the ability to cloak already, GREAT turn rate and durability. Does ANYTHING listed above say "Give me a battle-cloak?" I asked the OP a question, and I'll ask you the same thing.

What are you smoking? Cuz I want some to get rid of any semblance of sanity I have left.

As for the Dreadnaught? What? Where did that come from? This is a Defiant thread.
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# 46
10-10-2012, 08:27 PM
By the way, I've heard people say that the .9 shield mod on the fleet defiant is a typo and it's actually .99, not sure if this is true but I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
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# 47
10-10-2012, 08:30 PM
We are talking about a cloak, not a weapon. It doesn't change any stats on the ship.

It just gives it more survivability. Same as a bop.

Why wouldn't the federation have access to such tech? Are you forgetting that phasing cloak they were developing in secret?

You are ranting stats that are totally unnecessary to the point of this thread.

A battle cloak wouldn't change the defiants stats in any way.

Alpha strikes would still be the same as they are now.

Maybe you should stop smoking so much coz its affecting your ability to see reason.
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# 48
10-10-2012, 08:42 PM
Wow. Are you kidding me? You seriously don't see why this is just stupid? Yes, stats matter. And a cloak is a weapon. Here is why stats matter. It's stats show that a cloak is not required and not needed. And with the ships already existing capabilities, a cloak is excessive to say the least. But let me ask you this, since you don't seem capable of seeing reason.

Why should a defiant have a battle cloak? How will this level the playing field? What benefits will it give and how will it balance PvP?
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 49
10-10-2012, 08:52 PM
A cloak is purely defensive. And as many Klingon bop users will attest, it's not a perfect system.

When cloaking in the middle of a fight, your shields go down. It makes you even more vulnerable until the cloak is fully in place.

I've died many times trying to escape with my battle cloak. I might have survived had I stayed uncloaked and just tried to keep my shields up.

(Which is what we do now with the defiant)

Show me HOW it changes the ships stats to have a battle cloak instead of the normal one it has now.

I'm really not seeing your lint of view here.
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# 50
10-10-2012, 08:53 PM
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With the new 1000 day Vet ships the Klingons got now an escort with a battle cloak, I think it is time that also the Defiant get's a battle cloak. Otherwise the Federation is completly loosing out against the Klingons, that can mount on every ship Cannons, and 95% of their ships have a cloak, battle cloak or advanced battle cloak.
NO!!!

First off, I have the Defiant so it's not that I wouldn't want this for the fact that I don't have battle cloak on Fed.

But, KDF has only two things better about them than Fed: KHG ground set bonus, and ships.

Take those away, and KDF has nothing over Fed.


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