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# 91
10-11-2012, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gstamo01 View Post
As a nearly 1000 day lifer, the only thing that bothers me about PWE doing this is not giving F2P players time served towards Vet Rewards. It bothers me only because there is nothing Vet about the rewards any longer, thus let everyone with an account earn days towards the rewards.

my two latinum.
You sir have an excellent point. What the heck does Vet actually means in STO - its actually a meaningless concept that does not have actual substance to it.

People (Including myself) have paid $300 Dollars U.S. to have a Lifer account that basically gave us the Veteran status without actually earning it. This is what I mean - My account can lie dormant for a year and I still get all the bells and whistles as the person who actually played for a year and grind all day.

Basically what I am stating is that the term Veteran is meaningless.

It would have been nice that silver players started to earn those Vet days by actually playing the game for set amount of days.
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# 92
10-11-2012, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
So your solution is for Cryptic to blow hundreds of thousands of dollars to appease less than 20% of the playerbase?
Ah,there we have it.... 'less than 20% of the playerbase'. This crap is really pissing me off,every single time Cryptic pulls a stunt like that it always effects a minority.Now we can add monthly subscribers to the expanding list of minorities Cryptic steps on and disregards.

Think about this for a sec......in one way or another we are all part of a minority,sooner or later you are part of a minority they step on.
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# 93
10-11-2012, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by carcharodon1975 View Post
Ah,there we have it.... 'less than 20% of the playerbase'. This crap is really pissing me off,every single time Cryptic pulls a stunt like that it always effects a minority.Now we can add monthly subscribers to the expanding list of minorities Cryptic steps on and disregards.

Think about this for a sec......in one way or another we are all part of a minority,sooner or later you are part of a minority they step on.
Excellent post ^
EXPLORE.

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I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
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# 94
10-11-2012, 04:28 AM
When it comes down to it, I paid 250 dollars three years ago for my LTS subscription. Someone who paid yesterday has paid the same amount of money as I did three years ago.

Should I feel entitled to more rewards than them (a bunch of petty titles that I do not even use) just because I invested in the game/was foolish enough to spend the money before they did?

At the end of the day you all sound like a bunch of children playing "exclusive club" over toys that barely matter. If someone supports the game with a 300 dollar investment, they have put in the EXACT same amount of effort that you did even if you did it sooner.

They have in one swoop bought and paid for nearly three years of game time, aren't they entitled to the same amount of rewards as someone who has subbed for that amount of time? The only thing they have not invested is paying that out over 36 months.

The primary reason that Cryptic has done this is because the LTS for everyone has paid for itself.
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# 95
10-11-2012, 05:12 AM
What are you getting for 1000 days worth of paying your subscription?

1. Sorry if this sounds sarcastic, but for a complete list of what you are getting, either look at your veteran rewards accolades in-game or refer to the Veteran rewards list. There you will find a complete list of what paid subscribers get after 100, 200, 300, 1000 days paid subscription. Apart from any (not really worth singing about) specific LTS items, you are getting the same as what all the LTS people are getting, it's just staggered because you kept paying a subscription instead of saving up for a LTS - which I did for the simple reason that it makes me Gold, but 'free' to play and not for any "I want special stuff" reasons. F2P players don't get anything from this special offer (which ends Nov 12th anyway), so no-one is getting anything for nothing - everyone who is getting this stuff HAS PAID SOMETHING in order to get it. Instead of complaining about how 'unfair' this special offer is, try mounting a campaign for a special offer for all 'real' 1000 day vets to be made Lifers. That seems fair to me, which brings me to the second thing you are getting for your money.

2. The game. Outside of those who pay for keys to play the Lock Box game, Gold members are where the Dev's food money comes from. If everyone bought lifetime, the game would (financially) have to rely on new players. Gold (and their equivalent before the switch to F2P) players, and whether we like it or not, lock boxes, are the reason we still have a game.

As a related aside, I personally feel that giving 1000 days to every lifer past, present and for the moment future is not the best thing they could have done. If an offer like this had to come up, I would have said perhaps 1000 for existing lifers and Gold switching to LTS, and 500 days for F2P buying the LTS during the offer. Or maybe just a gift of 100 days worth of veteran reward, whatever, but something a little less extreme. The ship is ugly as hell anyway and being happy with my one science character, I won't be using it. The point of this offer is to give incentive to new and existing F2P players to 'buy' the game. I like this idea in principle and in the end, it can only be good for the actual playing experience, because (with no disrespect whatever intended to F2Pers) quite simply, if you have invested money in the game, you are less likely to leave/more likely to come back. That can only be good.

I agree that those who have been with the game since launch should get something, but LTS has been available for a very very long time too. The choice has been there. Some took it and some didn't, and like I said, I chose it for purely economic reasons. If you can afford to keep paying the sub, good luck to you. I can't so I saved up to buy LTS in order to remove an expense and it's not my and people like me's fault that they have given us all this stuff.

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# 96
10-11-2012, 06:42 AM
Here's a thought that seems to be getting lost:

When somebody else gets something nice, that's them getting a reward, not you getting a penalty.
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# 97
10-11-2012, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by carcharodon1975 View Post
Ah,there we have it.... 'less than 20% of the playerbase'. This crap is really pissing me off,every single time Cryptic pulls a stunt like that it always effects a minority.Now we can add monthly subscribers to the expanding list of minorities Cryptic steps on and disregards.

Think about this for a sec......in one way or another we are all part of a minority,sooner or later you are part of a minority they step on.
Well, look... I get that you see this as a matter of principle but you can have cheap methods of addressing matters of principle and you can have expensive ones.

I've worked in restaurants where customers were treated badly by some misguided employee.

Now, every conscientious manager I knew was going to try to start small fixing things. You know. Free dessert. Free appetizer. If they have to, maybe a hundred dollars in gift cards.

But if you want $10,000, whether you deserve that or not, you're going to have to get a lawyer. Because what you're asking for would cause them to lose money, the margin is that tight.
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# 98
10-11-2012, 09:05 AM
What I'm saying here is this:

It is important to address slights, real or perceived, because perceived slights are real to the customer.

But they're not going to spend an additional $300 per customer to make it right without a lawsuit.

So if you have something of reasonable cost that would make you happy, GREAT.

A veteran BO and a lockbox key for every 100 days subscribed, applied retroactively? Great. That's in line with past things they have done to make people happy.

1000 Cryptic points for everyone who has been subscribed since launch as a thank you? Maybe.

Another $300 worth of vet vet rewards? You're going to have to go to court because what you're asking for would mean shutting the game down to make you happy.
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# 99
10-11-2012, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
Here's a thought that seems to be getting lost:

When somebody else gets something nice, that's them getting a reward, not you getting a penalty.
^^^^ 10,000 times this ^^^^^
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# 100
10-11-2012, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cormoran View Post
What do you get? This is what you get.
I still can't stop laughing at this video that you posted earlier.


I like this re-mix of the vid better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDnT...eature=related

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