Originally Posted by carl103

Compared to canons their junk. without skill points they do MARKEDLY less DPS than a DHC in their place. To suggest otherwise just shows you don;t actually pay attention to your gear.

Also cannons have equal damage modifiers vs sheilds and hull, (100% as fa as i can tell), which is the same as torps vs hull. But the cannons do more sheild damage. It's a no brainer. (on my KD toon a photon torp is 523DPS, a Dual cnanon 600DPS, both MK X whites, and this is without MKXII Purple Tac consles). Now sure if you have points in kenetics...

Originally Posted by retroburn

I've only just returned to the game so I'm sure my ship layout isn't as efficient as it ought to be.

Fore weapons: phaser beam array, quantum torpedo launcher, phaser dual heavy cannons, phaser dual cannons

Deflector: graviton deflector array

Impulse: assimilated subtranswarp engines

Shields: covariant shield array [cap]x2

Aft weapons: phaser beam array, phaser turret, phaser turret

Engineering consoles: RCS accelerator, RCS accelerator

Science consoles: flow capacitor, power insulator, countermeasure system

Tactical consoles: prefire chamber, prefire chamber, phaser relay, directed energy distribution manifold

Any feedback is appreciated, thanks.

Originally Posted by carl103

And people running stupid builds like this are what annoys the hell out of me the most.

beam Overload applies a HUGE negetive wepaons power spike when fired. the resultant lost DPS over the next severla seconds is as great or greater than the bonus damage from the beam overload. result your no better or even worse off in terms of total damage output, and since your runnign an escort you could and should have been running an extra DHC in the place of that dual beam bank and doing even more DPS.

Bam overload is great where you need to front load your damage, (PVP enemies sicne they heal loads), but in any situation where there's no healing it's at best of no benefit, and at worst an outright downside.

Torps on an escort i'm somewhat not sold on as well. It's more personal prefferance but i find the skill points spent on kenetics could go better elsewhere. Though if you want to run a set of mines i'd say it makes sense, (Plasma mines are best PVE mines IMHO), and mines are good with borg bonus or lots of +crit chance.

DHC vs DC's is an easy anwser.

DHCs's do the same DPS, drain slightly more power, but fire more damaging shots at a slower rate. All your trading off is less weapon procs for less power drain. in raw PVE terms the latter outweighs the former mostly, but PvP DC's probably make much more sense as the proc can be so handy.

Originally Posted by scbypwr

Try it before denying it....the power drain is not a big deal because the use of cannons allows for energy recharge....EPtW takes care of the rest.

Notice...ONE dual beam bank...!

It works as good if not better than what you describe for pve.

Edit: DBB on bo1 with tac crits for 10-75k! The torps are crit for 5-40k. Can you make up for that in three volleys of cannons....lol!

Originally Posted by carl103

BO recharges far faster than that. Again where tasling PVE. Sure in PVP you can pull stuff liek that, but in PVE it has to be sustainable. Hiting a batery every time is not.



Ohh i'll easilly beat that, largely becuase a torp/DBB does not do anywhere near that amonunt of damage. before you try posting made up numbers check they are actually resonable.

Even a Plasma Torp with THY3 is only doing 4x Base damage, even with doubled crit magnitude and no target DR you would still need a torp doing 5K base. Guess what. It can't. DBB's are the same, BO 1 is a 4 times multipler. a 75K crit would need a base damage of aro8nd 9K, even a 10K crit needs a base damage of about 1.25K (possibble at least.

Lets look at some more realistic numbers, (ignoring acc bonus crit magnitude as it varies so much):

These numbers are taken from my all energy build KDF escort with MKX Plasma Beams/DHC and MK X Photon Torpedo

DHC base 1300.6 damage (867.1DPS)
DBB Bo1 Base 5865.6 damage (968.2 damage, (770.2DPS) in ordinary firing mode).
Photon Torpedo THY3 damage of 2524.1 * 4 (10096.4 total), base DPS is 523.1DPS, (3.4K per shot).


Crit chance and crit magnitude is equal so the only considerations are the effects of wepons power.
First and foremost a continual 2X crit multplier is possibble but highly unlikly. But even in that case your looking at a max crit of 20K for torps, 11.5K for beams with abilities.

Obviouslly if you go for more damaging MKXII or Fleet weapons it will go up a bit, but not to the numbers you claim. Nowhere near.

Originally Posted by retroburn

I've only just returned to the game so I'm sure my ship layout isn't as efficient as it ought to be.

Fore weapons: phaser beam array, quantum torpedo launcher, phaser dual heavy cannons, phaser dual cannons

Deflector: graviton deflector array

Impulse: assimilated subtranswarp engines

Shields: covariant shield array [cap]x2

Aft weapons: phaser beam array, phaser turret, phaser turret

Engineering consoles: RCS accelerator, RCS accelerator

Science consoles: flow capacitor, power insulator, countermeasure system

Tactical consoles: prefire chamber, prefire chamber, phaser relay, directed energy distribution manifold

Any feedback is appreciated, thanks.