Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 11
10-15-2012, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
If you want multi procs use hybrid weapons. No reason to ever use rainbow anymore now that these are out and cheap on exchange. Procs aren't all that reliable in STF besides disruptor breach though, best to just use all [Borg] disruptors, you can't ever go wrong there.

Also isn't the private STF channel just called EliteSTF and not PublicEliteSTF? I am a member of the PublicEliteSTF channel that doesn't require invite and the EliteSTF channel that does require one, not sure if there is another channel also called PublicEliteSTF that does require invites to get in.
There is more than one channel
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 12
10-15-2012, 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
If you want multi procs use hybrid weapons. No reason to ever use rainbow anymore now that these are out and cheap on exchange. Procs aren't all that reliable in STF besides disruptor breach though, best to just use all [Borg] disruptors, you can't ever go wrong there.

Also isn't the private STF channel just called EliteSTF and not PublicEliteSTF? I am a member of the PublicEliteSTF channel that doesn't require invite and the EliteSTF channel that does require one, not sure if there is another channel also called PublicEliteSTF that does require invites to get in.
^ Hybrids are the way to go if you prefer multi procs. Multis might be more viable on a sci no?
... Wonder if those Retrofit Phasers might make a comeback...
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 13
10-16-2012, 10:16 AM
I'd never fly a rainbow- or skittleboat myself, simply because it looks dumb, but I still think people are making too much of a fuss about it. The amount of damage a well-built skittle/rainbowboat loses when being compared to a single-energy-type ship is almost negligable, especially when mounting it in ships which only have 2 tac console slots. It's what? A mere 4% damage reduction when comparing the equally expensive blue Mk.XI phaser relay vs. a purple Mk.XII manifold? You'll probably lose more damage due to lag...

Things like lag, players being afk, not knowing the encounter, horrible boff setups and choices, using abilities at the wrong time or using wrong abilities in the first place (e.g. boarding parties against a borg node), energy distribution mismanagement, bad weapon setup, pointless deaths, lack of communication, wrong doffs or no doffs at all, bad builds etc... have more influence on the outcome of an STF than using photon consoles instead or warhead yoield chambers...

I'd also bet that if we were to inspect the builds and setups of the people crying about rainbow boats, we'd probably find flaws in 95% of them that would outweigh the use of rainbow beams.
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# 14
10-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Question:

Sometimes, I'll throw a phased tetryon, or a polarized tet beam in with my regular tets.

I was using two standard green disruptors with my spiral wave's, and recently I've mixed it up with a polarized disruptor or two.

Am I getting diminishing returns then on procs?

Am I doing something stupid whilest trying to be clever?
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# 15
10-16-2012, 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vengefuldjinn View Post
Question:

Sometimes, I'll throw a phased tetryon, or a polarized tet beam in with my regular tets.

I was using two standard green disruptors with my spiral wave's, and recently I've mixed it up with a polarized disruptor or two.

Am I getting diminishing returns then on procs?

Am I doing something stupid whilest trying to be clever?
You are basically getting a lower chance of more procs. If anything you get diminishing returns having just one flavor of disruptor since disruptor breach does not stack. Tet is different since the proc is shield damage, so mixing doesn't matter, get the highest proc rate possible unless you are aiming for combined procs.
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# 16
10-16-2012, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tasila View Post
Hi i dont like rainbow plaYers in stfs.

Plz try Torpedos Front/Aft.

Use 1 DMG Type Like Tetryon/Polaron/Plasma/Phaser/Disruptor
U also can mix them with Hybridweapons for ur Type.

Dont use Beam Weapons Enhance Tactical Consoles they just enhance ur Beam Weapons on a lower Arc.

Use Tactical Consoles of ur DMG Type.
Bsp Tetryon/Dual Phased Tetryon = Tetryon Pulse Generator MK **.
Try Torpdedo enhance Consoles like Quantum or Photon.

Especaly give 120% not just 50!


I had 4 of ur People today in an STF Elite.

This shouldnt be a flame threat.

Its just the bad experiences i made today witch makes me Cry-.-.

One way to avoid this situation all together is to join a good fleet. My motto regarding STF?s is simply..

"If the my fleet ain?t showing I ain?t going!"

Private, fleet based STF?s are the only STF?s I will every do.
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# 17
10-16-2012, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ddesjardins View Post

Find a Better Game by Changing the Chat Channel

STO has a robust chat channel system available to all players. For the purposes of this example, I'll be talking about two channels - one public (anyone can join) and one private (you have to ask to be invited).

Public: PublicEliteSTF
Members: 3500+ (over 300 online at any time)
Purpose: For players looking to run Elite STFS with optionals.
Rules: (1.) Standard Invite Code Rules (see below) (2.) You should know what the Optionals are before you join. This is a chat channel for stf's only, and they actively discourage open conversations outside of stf's. It's partially moderated, meaning if you break the rules on invites, you can get kicked (rarely).
My Impression: Friendly, easy going group. You will miss optionals occasionally, as the players are often new. Missions are pre-planned with roles assigned.


PRIVATE: PublicEliteSTF
Members: 1200+ (30+ on at any time)
Purpose: Elite Player Only. To become a member you must read the rules.
Rules: (1.) Standard Invite Code Rules (see below) (2.) You must know what the Optionals. THIS CHANNEL IS ACTIVELY MODERATED, AND HAS A HIGH KICK RATE.
My Impression: A great group dedicated to professional STF runs; they discuss the games tactics, define roles before the start of the mission, and generally will not tolerate inexpereinced players. This channel is NOT for first time players.

Hi there nice post and guide regarding coming onto an STF channel. I own and run PublicEliteSTF. The public non invite one. You have reversed your information I'm afraid... but no worries! PublicEliteSTF is in fact the 1300+ (150-250 online at any time) open public channel. EliteSTF is the PRIVATE 3500+ channel just to clarify and perhaps you could edit the post to reflect this please.

PublicEliteSTF, my one, the open channel has no issue with guys chatting away on channel once games are running. If not or if guys are just hanging out not doing much we prefer if you would run games then chat for an hour. The channel is moderated, abusive behaviour will get you muted, excessive trolling is also heavily frowned upon and you will be dealt with if you continue to do so. That being said, these things will never apply to the vast majority of people thank god!

Also we expect guys to come on channel KNOWING the missions and optionals. The quality of games on channel is high and we intend to keep it that way. As such we ask that you get training in fleet before coming on channel, or at least tell people you may not know missions or optionals before starting games. While we are a friendly bunch, some of the best players in game frequent the channel, once you are straight up and tell people your new and are unsure of the optionals they may even give you the tips and tricks you need. If you try sneaking into games without knowing what you're doing you do face the possibility of getting angry players on your back.... understandably so. This is the same in any STF channel. The simple solution to this is to make sure you have an idea what your doing. There are multiple guides and youtube videos you can check out first, we actually have on linked in our MOTD so there's little excuse and as mention just letting guys know before they run with you can save yourself and everyone alot of unnecessary agro.

We all get enough off the borg we dont need more. Damn you Donatra and your green balls of death!! I joke i joke, she never gets me I dps her upclose from from behind... pew pew!! See tips already!! I'm too nice...

Anyways....! I digress, do take the advice of the quoted post regarding running games, and most off all enjoy the channel and have fun....once you know the optionals....!

Good luck and Good Hunting

@wildchild8 PublicEliteSTF (the 1300+ not private one...)


PS Rainbow "proc" boats suck big time!!! You're gimping yourself and your team in an STF. Procs don't kill people I do... and my single energy type mk xii dhc with making all same energy type consoles.... try saying that 10 times fast...

Last edited by wildchild8; 10-16-2012 at 08:42 PM.
Captain
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# 18
10-16-2012, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wildchild8 View Post
PublicEliteSTF, my one, the open channel has no issue with guys chatting away on channel once games are running. If not or if guys are just hanging out not doing much we prefer if you would run games then chat for an hour. The channel is moderated, abusive behaviour will get you muted, excessive trolling is also heavily frowned upon and you will be dealt with if you continue to do so. That being said, these things will never apply to the vast majority of people thank god!
That being said, why have you guys not banned me yet lol... Jokes jokes, I would prefer not to be banned, I rather like the people in there, and a lot of my best STF runs have come out of there. Even though I have as of yet to get a successful IGE opt run... rather infuriating being that it's the last one I have for that accursed accolade.
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# 19
10-16-2012, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tasila View Post
Hi i dont like rainbow plaYers in stfs.

...

Its just the bad experiences i made today witch makes me Cry-.-.
Yeah, those same people are the kind of people I have to keep throwing TacTeam to. They are usually awful and have the worst builds in the game.


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# 20
10-18-2012, 08:05 AM
Seeing people with Airheading beam builds in elite STFs often usually means the chances of getting the optional drop well over 50% in my experience, though some have come out OK... I just wish something could be done to the actual stats to make it not so attractive to those who don't understand what procs/what doesnt proc together.

Even just a 1 liner in the tooltip stating:
"2.5%: .... (Note: This effect will not activate if a different weapon effect is active)" or "Note: It is suggested you use 1 energy type to increase your chances of a weapon effect activating)"

would help keep Airheading beam builds and Skittle cannon builds down (I choose calling these builds airhead beams because they look more like a pack of airheads exploding than rainbows shooting out in my opinion) some I think for those who don't read the forums or check mechanics.
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