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# 41
10-17-2012, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by verlaine11 View Post
Ohh thats true, well whoop de doo i lose huge amount of shields for nothing then, i think im going to a darkened room and cry

Shield had better be better /grumble /grumble
The Borg Tractor Beam is now part of the 3-piece bonus.
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# 42
10-17-2012, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fulleatherjacket View Post
You can't be oblivious to your own bias here. You're already saying cruisers are weak. And you think that's good? That escorts are objectively superior to the other ship types?
Judging by the picture, you get the tractor beam as part of the 3 piece bonus, but I may be wrong...
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# 43
10-17-2012, 04:57 AM
I stand corrected then...

Well, i guess no one is complaining getting that power with one less set piece I guess.
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# 44
10-17-2012, 04:58 AM
So the shield, engine and deflector become a 3 piece and the console now becomes a new 3 pieces when you get a new borg torpdeo and cutting beam when ever they are added.

now i have not looked at all the stats so they may require adjustment but i dont mind the theory behind the change, as its now in keeping with the other sets.

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# 45
10-17-2012, 05:03 AM
STFs aren't the issue. Players skills are, in these instances. You can easily complete a STF with a full team of RA ships with green Mk XI gear equiped. Some people even completed a normal one with mirandas.

I'm only concerned because the borg set was the best science set and because it looks like we have no other sci set to compensate this loss. The borg shield is a real issue, it's not a shield it's a colander, and since there's no hull tanking in this game, this shield is a complete disaster. I'm really worried about the +5 aux power bonus given by the deflector, and the graviton build we could do with the current set.

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# 46
10-17-2012, 05:07 AM
Meh. It was bound to happen.

and don't get comfortable, more changes are incomming........
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# 47
10-17-2012, 05:28 AM
I think the biggest disappointment here is that a lot of us were asking for more of the sets (Aegis for example) to be extended by adding a fourth item (console) - it would have added a lot of diversity to the game - and lots of full set/2-2/3-1 options.

Doing this nerfs the existing Borg set because that shield heal's going away for the majority of players (who won't use the Borg shield). The console becomes largely redundant (it's got good stats but I don't use them on their own any more).

Also - look at the cutting beam - [Dmg]x3? Yeah.

I can't see many people taking the full 6-part Borg set (weapons adds to the sets have largely been too fussy to get any use out of) so really, what was the point? I guess just to standardise on the 3-part sets.

Oh, and also to rank it so we'll have to grind for a new one when XIII becomes available...
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# 48
10-17-2012, 05:34 AM
What do you mean with rank them? They where always ranked. they just didn't say Mk X even though they were. the procs were the only reason people used them anymore.
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# 49
10-17-2012, 05:39 AM
If this is truly an "escort nerf", then I'd like to welcome escort pilots to where many people believe the science players have been... nerfed because of the "unintended effects" of power combinations after multiple repeated whines from the "escort" crowd...

Before: "Wah, gravity well with all sorts of Tac boosts from an MVAE = one hit kill". Bye Bye GW damage.
Before: "Wah, CPB strips way too much of my MACO XII shield when ran with Tac boosts." Bye Bye CPB damage.
Now: "Wah, we can't kill an escort without 5 escorts doing a perfectly coordinated Alpha Strike on all four shields at once." Bye Bye Borg shield proc reinforcing MACO/KHG XII shields.

On that (semi-sarcastic) note, remember that the whole purpose of these various sets is to actually have players make choices, instead of encouraging "cookie cutter" builds, such as the nigh-universally recommended 3 Piece Borg / MACO/KHG MK XII shield, or 2 piece Borg / 2 piece Omega/JH/Breen builds for weapon proc & hull regen.

Granted, regenerative shields are "lame" in the high-burst world of PvP, and massive damage world of late-game PvE. However, I'm wondering if a (logically postulated) Mk XII Borg Regenerative shield will hold up against a cruiser's "pressure DPS"?

Especially in light of the fact that, if escorts do become somewhat more squishy because of this change, the need to actively resist the heal-cruiser's pressure DPS may "return". Then you really start up the PvP chess match (I'm the anti-pressure escort, let me deal with the heal-boat, while the anti-burst escort deals with the other escorts that are trying to wipe me off the map).
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# 50
10-17-2012, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by timelord79 View Post
What do you mean with rank them? They where always ranked. they just didn't say Mk X even though they were. the procs were the only reason people used them anymore.
I was never sure whether the Borg set was one that levels with you or not - I always assumed it did. Irrespective, there was only one version before - now there's Mk XI and XII - sure to be followed at some point by Mk XIII - yay for new content /sarcasm
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