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# 211 Confused
10-18-2012, 08:32 AM
i did not read all the posts concerning this change to the borg set, but read enough to realize i am still confused.

i currently run with the 3 piece borg set and macoII shields on most of my ships. is this still a valid or good set up?

what set would you now advise someone to use?

is the borg console worth keeping? is the 3 piece borg set without the console any good?

thanks in advance.
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# 212
10-18-2012, 08:42 AM
Until Season 7 goes live it'll work just fine.

Currently the 3-piece Borg set (Deflector/Engines/Console) gives two powerful healing procs (hull + shields).

When season 7 hits, the Borg Console becomes part of another set - it keeps its properties but in order to get the shield proc (and the tractor beam) you'll need to run Deflector/Engines/Shield.

The capabilities of the Console set (which includes a Borg 'Cutting Beam') are currently unknown.

As to what you should run - whatever works for you. I run full MACO Mk XII on my Excelsior and haven't used the Borg stuff in a long time.
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# 213
10-18-2012, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by diogene0 View Post
Yes, especially if you have 6 to 8 weapons to fire. The first one will fire at 125 but the next one could fire at 120, then 110, etc. You can't have enough power to your weapons.
Ok cool, I thought that there was a hard cap @125, but since learned it was removed.
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# 214
10-18-2012, 09:03 AM
I run a tac oddy(the ORCA)with my engineer, Brody. I've been running 2 piece borg, the console and engines, and 2 piece maco mark12 deflector and shield. The other nite I scored the maco mk12 engine. I ran elite STF's(all of them) just fine.

I pvp a lot too. I have some amazing tac/escort players in my fleet. I can tell you the little hit to self healing for escorts is a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of points of healing they receive from designated healers. A second or two of prolonging life is important, but this move by cryptic will make better healers shine even more in pvp.
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# 215
10-18-2012, 09:12 AM
This future change (not yet definitive - it's still being worked on) doesn't really make me happy.

I rarely used the Borg 3-part set (the shield heal never impressed me, was almost allways negligeable in my parses). That allowed me to choose any 2-part set I wanted to use along the (needed - in my eyes, since largest heal excluding SDO doffs) 2-part Borg set.

After that change, I will only be able to get 1 set bonus (because any full existing set would be very underwhelming to me). And that bonus will have to be "Autonomous regeneration sequencer", given its necessity. So my only options now are to choose the shield to go with the Borg deflector and engine. Not a whole lot of variety.

Note: I'm talking from an STF playing PVEer standpoint.
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# 216
10-18-2012, 09:25 AM
doesn't bother me a bit, rather like the change. the cookie cutter builds and build advice will get a change up. never bothered to use 3pc, rarely even 2pc (+5aux and some other stats from the borg deflector are nice to have). instead built around systems and boff skills that would give survivability. required more thought than just 'maco/khg shields 3pc borg is ta uberness' but as it stands now or will...was worth it.

mayhap i'll see a few people who relied on it so heavily and didn't bother with any defensive skills at all actually blow up less once they adjust.
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# 217
10-18-2012, 09:29 AM
I agree with the changes, excellent idea, I have no problem suriving elites with 3pc MACO/Omega/Honor Guard. Hopefully others will soon learn that they can too. Its not the end of the world.
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# 218
10-18-2012, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by diogene0 View Post
You're not good at maths are you?

It's going to happen every 2 minutes or so and it lasts 21s. 21s is a huge amount of time in the game, it can make a difference. Acutally it will proc fairly often and will give you a huge buff, considering the fact that no other proc I know lasts such an amount of time.
and apparently you aren't 'good' at grammar.

P.S. yes, I am. and i know 21 seconds doesn't matter at all when the crap is hitting the fan
EDIT: weapons power is only important for ships that are dps oriented. So yeah. Its biased toward tactical class

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# 219
10-18-2012, 02:18 PM
i read 218 post here and after doing much scientific research i have determined it does not matter. use what you like. to hell with it.
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# 220
10-18-2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
This future change (not yet definitive - it's still being worked on) doesn't really make me happy.

I rarely used the Borg 3-part set (the shield heal never impressed me, was almost allways negligeable in my parses). That allowed me to choose any 2-part set I wanted to use along the (needed - in my eyes, since largest heal excluding SDO doffs) 2-part Borg set.

After that change, I will only be able to get 1 set bonus (because any full existing set would be very underwhelming to me). And that bonus will have to be "Autonomous regeneration sequencer", given its necessity. So my only options now are to choose the shield to go with the Borg deflector and engine. Not a whole lot of variety.

Note: I'm talking from an STF playing PVEer standpoint.
This is exactly the reason they're changing it.

They were meant to be run as a 4-piece set. Instead, players chose to do a 2+2, using the Console to free up the Shield slot most of the time and getting the 2-piece bonus of another set.

The change is to put back the original intent of having to run the Shields, Engines, and Deflector all at the same time if you want all the set bonuses. The Tractor Beam was included as a 3-set additional bonus so as to not take that away should someone already be running the 3-piece set with the console.

As a fellow PvE'er, I don't like it either. But then again, that's why I stick with PvE. For me, this is a minor inconvenience. My play style relies on shields, so I just switch out Deflector or Engine to keep the 2-piece Borg bonus. If I were a PvP'er, I'd have to rethink my whole build before Season 7 hits.
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